By HR for HR

By HR for HR

HR Without the Fluff

By HR, For HR is a podcast hosted by VirgilHR CEO Jocelyn King that brings practical insights from HR leaders on recruiting, performance management, compliance, leadership, AI, and more. Each episode shares real-world lessons you can apply immediately to elevate your organization and strategy.

#24 - Theresa Hummel-Krallinger: Humor, Resilience, and Stand-Up Skills: Unlocking Better Leadership
By HR for HRAugust 13, 202600:29:53

#24 - Theresa Hummel-Krallinger: Humor, Resilience, and Stand-Up Skills: Unlocking Better Leadership

Jocelyn King sits down with Theresa Hummel-Krallinger, President and Chief People Officer of High Five Performance, speaker, stand-up comedian, and author of Make Waves. Theresa discusses the core thesis of her new book, emphasizing the necessity of lifelong career ownership and employability in an ...

#23 - JJ Owen: Gen Z in the Skilled Trades: Rethinking Recruitment Beyond the Resume
By HR for HRAugust 06, 2026
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#23 - JJ Owen: Gen Z in the Skilled Trades: Rethinking Recruitment Beyond the Resume

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King connects with JJ Owen, Executive Director of Skills Jam, to explore how organizations can adapt their talent acquisition strategies to engage the next generation of skilled trades talent. JJ breaks down the fundamental shift in how Gen Z consumes in...

#22 - Leah Stiegler: Navigating Complex Labor Laws
By HR for HRJuly 29, 2026
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#22 - Leah Stiegler: Navigating Complex Labor Laws

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King is joined by Leah Stiegler, Principal at Woods Rogers, to unpack the complex, high-stakes intersection of employment law and everyday workplace management. Together, they explore pressing compliance challenges facing modern HR teams, including the s...

#21 - Peter Phelan: Becoming a Cultural Change Agent: Turning Taboo Topics and Dry Benefits into Engagement
By HR for HRJuly 23, 2026
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#21 - Peter Phelan: Becoming a Cultural Change Agent: Turning Taboo Topics and Dry Benefits into Engagement

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Peter Phelan, a former Chief People Officer turned culture strategist, executive headhunter, and HR’s resident humorist. Peter shares his journey from studying HR in Ireland during the 1990s to climbing the corporate ranks in the tech...

#20 - Bethany Muzzi: The Metrics That Matter: Connecting Employee Turnover to Hard Business Outcomes
By HR for HRJune 18, 2026
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#20 - Bethany Muzzi: The Metrics That Matter: Connecting Employee Turnover to Hard Business Outcomes

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Bethany Muzzi, an HR professional who built her leadership foundation in the high-stakes healthcare environment during COVID-19 before transitioning into the fast-paced construction industry. Bethany shares her "sink or swim" lessons ...

#19 - Kara Kelley: Building Sustainable Revenue: Why HR Solopreneurs Can’t Go It Alone
By HR for HRJune 11, 2026
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#19 - Kara Kelley: Building Sustainable Revenue: Why HR Solopreneurs Can’t Go It Alone

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King connects with Kara Kelley, a fractional HR business partner, entrepreneur, and founder of the HR Consultants Mastermind Community. Kara shares her journey of launching her firm, Clinical HR, in the medical and dental compliance space right at the on...

#18 - Steve Browne: HR Without Boundaries: Leading People First over Policy
By HR for HRJune 04, 2026
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#18 - Steve Browne: HR Without Boundaries: Leading People First over Policy

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Steve Browne, a 40-year human resources veteran, to explore the profound evolution of the profession from the restrictive, top-down days of "Personnel" to modern organizational design. Steve reflects on his expansive career and shares...

#17 - Elles Skony: Building Community and Confidence in HR Entrepreneurship
By HR for HRMay 14, 2026
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#17 - Elles Skony: Building Community and Confidence in HR Entrepreneurship

In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Elles Skony, a dynamic leader in the HR space, to explore the journey of transitioning from in-house HR leadership to entrepreneurship. Elles, who has a rich background in high-growth startups, shares her experience of founding her own busine...

#16 - Junell Venord: Building HR Communities and Effective Communication
By HR for HRMay 07, 2026
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#16 - Junell Venord: Building HR Communities and Effective Communication

In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Junell Venord, a seasoned HR professional and Senior Director at the Washington Area Community Investment Fund. Junell shares her unique journey through various industries, from teaching to HR leadership, and...

#16 - Junell Venord: Building HR Communities and Effective Communication
By HR for HRMay 07, 2026
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00:24:31

#16 - Junell Venord: Building HR Communities and Effective Communication

In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Junell Venord, a seasoned HR professional and Senior Director at the Washington Area Community Investment Fund. Junell shares her unique journey through various industries, from teaching to HR leadership, and...