Getting Inclusive AF with Jackye and Katee

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[00:00:21] Hello, Jackie. How are you today? You know what? I'm doing well. How are you, Katie Sue?

[00:00:26] I'm good. I am home from my whirlwind tour and so feeling good and feeling like a normal human again because I did catch a little something, flu bug of some sort and almost died.

[00:00:40] Travel, travel, travel extravaganza flu, travel influenza.

[00:00:47] Kind of like Montezuma's Revenge but different?

[00:00:50] Different. Like the fever, well I don't know. I mean I guess, I don't know. I just mostly didn't want to move off the couch and I didn't want to eat anything and I, yeah it wasn't great. It wasn't my best day.

[00:01:06] I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[00:01:07] It's okay. I survived it and lived to tell the tale and I feel much better today.

[00:01:11] Is that bad?

[00:01:13] So Jackie, hi this is Katie Van Horn.

[00:01:17] And this is Jackie Clayton and this is the Inclusive AF podcast.

[00:01:22] You're damn skippy, Jackie. So hey I wanted to ask you a question.

[00:01:29] Yeah.

[00:01:30] If you were alone in the woods, would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?

[00:01:36] A bear.

[00:01:37] Tell me why, Jacqueline.

[00:01:40] Because number one, you know, we, because a bear really just wants, it just wants the sandwich. I can throw the sandwich and we're gonna be fine. Man, you just don't know. I don't know what the trigger is. I feel like I speak bear better.

[00:01:55] Right.

[00:01:56] I don't know about you.

[00:01:59] Same. I think for me,

[00:02:03] Well, yes. I'm also on the bear side. Thank you very much.

[00:02:06] I've been watching a lot of TikToks about this and it is very fascinating the things that people are coming up with about why. But there was one and it was literally someone just doing the, I don't want to say, the person you ask questions of

[00:02:21] that is right behind me that knows all the questions, answers to all the questions. It starts with an A. When you ask her a question and she knows the answer and they ask like, hey, how many bears, how many people die by bear attack?

[00:02:39] How many people are attacked by bears? And then same question, how many women are attacked by, or how many women are attacked by bears?

[00:02:48] I think they said people actually on the bear side. How many women are attacked by men and assaulted or murdered? And so yeah, the numbers don't lie. So it was very convincing that maybe the best option would be bears.

[00:03:04] Plus, I think, you know, I'm also, I think you know this, I have a bear analogy in one of my trainings and it's more for, and I probably need to like take it out now because of this recent TikTok.

[00:03:15] It's not cute anymore.

[00:03:16] Well, because the question I always say is like, what do you, it's to talk about unconscious bias and it's like, right, we do if you see a bear in the woods and you know that you should make noise or make yourself big or play dead or whatever.

[00:03:28] And Dwight Trute obviously gave us a lot of indication based on if it was a black bear or brown bear that you know you make noise if it's one or the other, I can't remember which.

[00:03:37] Because Dwight Trute from The Office is very smart.

[00:03:41] But I don't know if I can use this one anymore because I think it will trigger people that they're going to be like, oh well are you talking about that? Which I'm not. I'm talking about something.

[00:03:52] Right.

[00:03:53] But anyways.

[00:03:54] The question, just so again, so the question is, would you be safer with a man or a bear and women overwhelmingly feel like they would be safer with a bear in the forest than a man that they didn't know.

[00:04:12] Right.

[00:04:13] I'll tell you why I feel that way most recently.

[00:04:18] I was watching like a 48 hours not the Eddie Murphy movie, like on CDF.

[00:04:26] Like a date line 48 hours.

[00:04:28] Right.

[00:04:29] Line 48 hours situation. Yeah, yeah. I understand.

[00:04:31] I'm with you now.

[00:04:32] There was a woman who had been murdered like 20 years ago and the thing that was they forced some people into falsely confessing.

[00:04:49] And this is back in the day where they used to say there's no way you would confess if you didn't do it.

[00:04:53] There's no way. Now we know that those aren't the cases that isn't the case and most organizations have changed the way that they do interrogation these days versus the way that when this happened like in the 80s.

[00:05:04] But eventually.

[00:05:06] Sorry, sorry, sorry. I want to know they haven't.

[00:05:09] Well, I mean.

[00:05:10] They say they have but they haven't. Sorry. I just want to.

[00:05:13] They do once they get to 48 hours. They've changed before they hit record.

[00:05:17] Okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. Thank you.

[00:05:19] Thank you for clarifying.

[00:05:20] Yes. Thank you.

[00:05:21] Thank you. Thank you for clarifying.

[00:05:23] Yeah, by the time they get to 2020 they have they say over. They have a flash meeting. You've got 10 minutes. Yes, we have done the training.

[00:05:32] Disclose what you know and it's over. Yeah.

[00:05:34] That's it. So the man that they ended up and they've been going back again once you get onto the 2020 circuit to redo the DNA to figure out if they can do these crimes or whatever.

[00:05:46] They found that the person who murdered this woman and raped this woman was lived across the street from them.

[00:05:55] And they were never interrogated in the first place, even though the person lived across the street.

[00:06:01] And when they asked him why he picked the woman like across the street, he was like, oh, I just wanted to have sex.

[00:06:11] They were like, oh, well, you know, did you was it any other reason he's like, oh yeah, I was just don't like and drunk.

[00:06:21] That was it. That was the only criteria was like insane. I wanted to.

[00:06:28] And of entitlement. Yeah.

[00:06:31] In combination with, I guess, you know, they're saying drugs and alcohol, but I think you would have to want to do that before the drugs and alcohol.

[00:06:39] I can't imagine that that automatically just came into being like because I've had several beers and I've never wanted to even go across the parking lot, let alone all the way across the street.

[00:06:51] Like those things have never occurred to me. And I've heard about people who smokes weed. I've never partaken myself because I would know.

[00:07:00] Absolutely. You haven't. Because why would it? Why would you do that?

[00:07:06] No, no, no, no. I heard that it's not a motivating drug. You very much aren't motivated to go do much of anything to your point.

[00:07:15] Yeah, great. Go alone. Go do anything bad. No, you mostly just want to sit and relax.

[00:07:21] The only thing I want to do is, you know, when I've had too many drinks is like the worst thing was get some nachos at 7-eleven.

[00:07:30] That was the absolute worst. Right, like eat junk food and watch trash TV. Yeah, I feel like that person had been in jail for 20 years.

[00:07:40] The guy knew that he did it never admitted to it. They found him when he was 67 years old, sentenced him to 20 years.

[00:07:51] The only reason they found it was because of the DNA and he did confess under different circumstances of interrogation.

[00:07:58] And the fact that I know even if I was with a bear, I'm not getting raped by a bear. No. Versus a random, oh, I just felt like it thought.

[00:08:17] I know that doesn't happen to bears. No, I would rather I can't that's terrifying to think that that could cross somebody's mind.

[00:08:27] I know at the very least that wouldn't happen with a bear. No. Well, and I would also say like your point of like the sense of entitlement.

[00:08:37] I think that's such a theme that I'm seeing throughout so many of these stories recently of people doing bad things to.

[00:08:46] I mean, we can talk about what is shaking up the music industry right now where I almost think it's like who hasn't done something horrific?

[00:08:56] And then also, I mean, obviously we know like every top.

[00:09:01] It feels like every top male executive on any large corporation has done something horrific.

[00:09:08] And obviously we have a presidential candidate that.

[00:09:12] You know, has been convicted of of doing such things, but it's fine.

[00:09:17] That was her fault. Like if I got attacked by a bear, also no one would say, well, what were you wearing? Exactly right.

[00:09:24] Or or say, I'm not sure it really happened. Are you sure it really happened? Did you edge it on? Did you coerce the bear in any way? Yes, yes.

[00:09:31] Or how many drinks did you have Jackie? You know, how many of those coronas did you hit up?

[00:09:36] You know, it's mostly blame it on the coronas. If and I know we're making light of something and it's really not a light topic in any way, shape or form.

[00:09:46] But it's fascinating to see the response and the kind of pushback from some men of, you know, oh, this is a ridiculous argument.

[00:09:56] And but then the ones that are really like hurt my heart are the ones that are like I asking a dad who has a little girl.

[00:10:07] You feel safer with them being alone in the woods with a man you don't know or with the bear and the dad literally like, oh, well, yeah, the bear for sure.

[00:10:17] And it's like, oh my like how unsettling that is and disturbing that this is this is where we're at.

[00:10:26] And I've also I've seen a lot of because I've been on a lot of TikTok because I've been traveling and like watching just silly stuff at night trying to fall asleep when I'm in some random time zone.

[00:10:37] I don't know. Like these men that are like posting these videos about like, oh, but if a woman said like dating coach type things and they're like, what are you talking?

[00:10:48] They're just stupid people.

[00:10:52] And those ones are also getting to me like, oh, she says no, that's not really what she means.

[00:10:56] You need to tell her why she should date you.

[00:10:58] And you're like, or leave the woman alone because she's not interested.

[00:11:02] So maybe just leave her alone is the answer to this.

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[00:11:37] Okay, so do you want to talk about I know we just talked about a topic.

[00:11:45] Do you want to talk about the some of the bands that have now occurred?

[00:11:52] I do not. So, you know, Kansas,

[00:11:58] one of the board of education there has now adopted an anti DEI policy.

[00:12:04] And I think this is something that we're going to see in a few other places just because this seems to be the way that this is going.

[00:12:13] Is that once one state does it, other states do as well.

[00:12:18] But asking them, you know, do like not not being able to ask them what their diversity beliefs are, or if they believe in diversity, or if they are opposed to diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives.

[00:12:36] It's a very random like, I don't even I don't even know how to read some of these things because it doesn't make sense to me. I don't know if you've looked at it at all, but any thoughts on kind of how these schools are doing this?

[00:12:51] Yeah, it's going to come back. You know, we talked a little bit about the right side of history. We hear that being thrown around a lot. But at the end of the day.

[00:13:04] What is going to happen is as as things progress, we will see lawsuits that come in the in a different direction and people are going to be confused when they realize that it's like they're not protected for those things.

[00:13:21] And what will happen is people suing because of being discriminated against because of having a disability or something that doesn't seem to relate.

[00:13:29] And then people are going to try to pay more attention to it. That's the way that it always occurs. Something horrible is going to happen.

[00:13:37] Yeah, that's the unfortunate part, because there are so many people that because we're not telling them how these things occur and they're not getting exposed to these things don't realize that.

[00:13:47] That if history does repeat itself, you ignoring it does not make it better. It's not going to it's not going to work for you and it doesn't end up on your side and something horrific is going to happen.

[00:14:01] Right? And I just I guess it's weird to me like you have so many universities specifically that have.

[00:14:12] Morality clauses. I actually just was facilitating a training a few weeks ago and one of the folks mentioned something about a morality clause and I was like, well, yeah, that's definitely something.

[00:14:23] And it's one of the universities here in Arizona and I know exactly what they were referring to because there is they are a Christian university and so they were talking about they have a.

[00:14:35] They do not they they're non discrimination language does not include transgender people, so they not that they are.

[00:14:46] But what does that mean? Meaning that like, non discrimination clauses usually include folks that are from our marginalized group. So age.

[00:14:55] All of the things that like, but I'm saying that you're allowed to discriminate against trans people basically. Correct. Yes.

[00:15:01] So and it's they have said we don't like acknowledge that and it's basically everyone in the LGBTQ community that they're really.

[00:15:09] Not protecting and so it was one of those things like, yes, there's a morality clause and so.

[00:15:16] I guess that is what they're trying to push here, but again, it goes back to that's a Christian.

[00:15:22] University so you can say religious exemption, but then there's also the.

[00:15:28] I guess I don't understand how just being a decent human means that you're adopting some rant like weird left woke Dei policy.

[00:15:40] It's like, no, just just be kind and be a good human to other people in this world like that is.

[00:15:47] That's what should be happening, but you're making it into like, oh, because you're not a Christian.

[00:15:53] That is. That's what should be happening, but you're making it into like, oh, because we have this language around inclusion and being kind to everyone and including everyone.

[00:16:06] That means we're woke. Like I don't I don't get it that like people are trying to somehow again, it's this twisting of what the intention is of the language reason why we hate Russians and people from China.

[00:16:21] Because they're evil.

[00:16:23] All of them, every single one of them and that's all you need to know where it's like okay all of them. Yes. And so that's the narrative where it changed.

[00:16:34] It was like wait not all of them. We changed it to not all of them. Be sure that you actually get to know and treat everything on an individual basis and then the government is saying no everyone.

[00:16:45] Like that's how you have to look at it where they I can understand.

[00:16:51] For example, here's the examples that I look at like breast milk versus cow's milk right like like there are people when they were charting to do like formula that like people couldn't breastfeed so then they're like giving people cows milk but it's not the same and then babies are dying and so it's like what are you doing?

[00:17:13] What are you doing? Like you have to explain those things to people. They really don't see why would anybody do that? It takes kids dying in order for people to see no really people are doing that and so I don't think that a lot of these anti-DEIB is against DEIB as it stands.

[00:17:35] I think a lot of these things it's like why are we focusing on that? It doesn't make sense to me because these things don't occur in my purview. Right? So that's why it's like you why you have to explain to people like no this is a non-safe situation.

[00:17:52] Like why you have like why they take parents to jail because they prayed over a child who ends up dying because they according their religion, you know don't go to doctors or whatever.

[00:18:04] Like that's ridiculous that we hold people accountable but and but they don't recognize all of these laws that are in place is because people left to their own devices will not heed the warning.

[00:18:17] It's why we have a seat but we literally have a law that tells you to put their seat belt on. How stupid is that? We could say you know what I'm not making a law to do that. You can do whatever you want.

[00:18:27] It's your own freedom. Do whatever you want and then people are dying and was like should wear your seat belt. Right? So we're at that stage where it's like like helmet laws.

[00:18:37] We have seat belt laws but we don't have helmet laws. It's because there's not as many people dying. So if you look at it from there's not as many people being hurt historically, it makes sense that they're like well those things are important until the next five years.

[00:18:51] When all of these things are going against the way from morning from like from a historical place, I can make up the rules to be in my favor. I have that amount of power and there's nothing you can do about it because we don't have to understand or recognize other people that are different than me.

[00:19:10] It's mind boggling. I could say oh I run TA, I'm only going to hire black people because they're the only people I feel safe around and you would think that I was crazy versus organizations do that every day.

[00:19:30] And there's a law against that right? There has to be because we tried. I met this is something that will blow your mind. This okay so I was swimming at the YMCA. I love the YMCA. I get to learn meet my neighbors. I get to watch you know eat popcorn and have snacks hang out with the people.

[00:19:47] I'm swimming at the YMCA. I'm telling somebody what I do for a living. He's a seasoned gentleman and he says oh yeah I will hire I will hire veterans. He owns country clubs. He and throughout his tenure he's like I will never hire a veteran because they're too angry.

[00:20:07] I haven't heard anybody discriminate against veterans in a really really really long time. And he was like no I won't and I was like done and I'm like whoa there are people who still believe that even though there aren't a whole lot of veterans as compared to like the 80s you know?

[00:20:26] And it still has to be there because this guy is flat out wasn't even embarrassed or ashamed at all of saying that he wouldn't hire people that were veterans.

[00:20:38] That it doesn't make sense so there's people in government that are like why are you saying that we're trying to give people a benefit? Why can't we just treat everybody the same? It's the same people that say why don't you just pick yourself up with from your bootstraps and I have to explain to you I have no boots.

[00:20:51] Like it's that same process of understanding and like the same thing with abortion laws where people are going to have to start dying in order for people to make a difference. And I just don't understand how people can just without knowing the truth of any situation just make blanketed laws when you're trying to help people.

[00:21:10] Right. But yeah it's the and I think we all had this at some point coming up in a work environment and this is not even the same thing. It's but it's how maybe folks are going to be able to get out there and be able to do something.

[00:21:26] Right. Yeah, it's the and I think we all had this at some point coming up in a work environment and this is not even the same thing. It's but it's how maybe folks can relate is I'm sure it's like joining a fraternity or a sorority where they have the hazing and now they've changed that but they have the hazing and it was like well they have to go through this.

[00:21:53] I had to go through it so they have to go through it too to be a member of this fraternity or sorority and at work. I'm sure we've all had someone anyone who's been in a work environment for any length of time that person that you work with that was like oh well it was hard for me.

[00:22:12] So it has to be hard for everyone else behind me because if I had to go through this hard thing they should too. And and you're like but but why like why why would we make it hard for anyone like if we can make it easier.

[00:22:25] Why wouldn't we like there's so many pieces to this that I just don't it doesn't make sense but we continue to do it and we continue to harm and it's like to what end.

[00:22:37] So we're all harmed. So we all have these issues. You've been traveling a lot and you know I was talking to my executive producer about your level of travel and it was like well how does Katie feel like is she okay does she feel safe and I'm like the scariest place on the planet is the United States of America.

[00:22:59] Oh absolutely specifically Texas Arizona Florida like safer in Germany than she is right there and fucking Phoenix. Right. Are you kidding me.

[00:23:12] Are you kidding. It's funny that you say that because at one point I saw I walked to dinner one of the nights while I was in Cologne Germany and I was by myself and I and there was no like and I had my laptop like in my arm because I was like working on some stuff and it was like no concern no thought.

[00:23:33] I was in Paris a few weeks ago and I'm walking through the way rain in the dark by myself and I was like no big deal. Don't tell my mom any of these stories by the way.

[00:23:42] I want that. Well in the meantime I'm at Walgreens and I'm afraid to leave my laptop in the car. Well right.

[00:23:49] Well right. I'm like I was in downtown Phoenix. We were at a comedy show and I like on the way back I'm like to my sisters like you're not walking to the car by yourself like we're walking you to your car because God only knows what can happen in the you know 100 yards not even how it was more than 100 yards but like in the around the corner down the road a little bit because it's not safe here.

[00:24:17] It goes back to the bear. It goes back to the bear because you're not it's like I'm safer with a bunch of bears than I am with a bunch of politicians because a bear like they're looking at the great equalizer like I can respect mom bear who doesn't want their kids to be hurt or is just trying to feed their family right.

[00:24:39] Like I'm not saying it would be pleasant. I'm not saying whatever but guess what a bear is not going to say lay back and enjoy it and it'll be over with. Yep.

[00:24:52] Right. No they're not. I mean like or they might say that while they're on your face they might say that while they're eating you. I would think I'm beautiful and my face will probably you know they're like I'm hungry.

[00:25:05] Give me all the food. Right. We can say that. All right. And so it's like the thing is it's like just because you have thumbs doesn't mean that you have a better case of moral than some other mammals like I just and I do think about that part a lot about women in general more or people who have children more than people who don't have children.

[00:25:35] I'm going to talk specifically about if you study how these groups work the only one that has like the one that has a major jack up situation are humans versus penguin like penguins are like you know what you don't take that baby I'll be right back because you ain't gonna bring enough food.

[00:25:56] I know you're not right. I'm going to go take care of it myself or those birds that are like we don't even need a man. Watch this. I will help you with that baby. Yes. Right. All of these different groups but let but let the like male bear get inside becomes a whole different.

[00:26:16] They're off fighting in the woods like trying to do all these things to attract like the fact that it's funny that human women wear makeup in the animal kingdom. It is the male animal that is trying to be the equivalency is of the pick me class.

[00:26:33] Yes.

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[00:27:21] I would like to stop wearing makeup if that's possible. Thank you. I'd be great.

[00:27:24] I can't. Thank you. Can't absolutely. I pretty much don't have makeup on ever. Well, I don't. Neither do I anymore. I like mascara.

[00:27:33] I digress.

[00:27:39] Yeah, I think there's also a piece to this and it goes like you were talking about the show of the man who was like, oh, she was across the street and I wanted to so I did.

[00:27:50] Like I think that's the other part is we're hearing so many of these stories that are so disturbing on every level about just that piece of like men that are like, oh, well, she was at my house and she was asking for it.

[00:28:07] Or this. I don't know if you heard about this one where the guy put something into these smoothies that he made for his daughter and her friends at a sleepover. They were having like a slumber party house and he put something in it.

[00:28:22] And one of the girls was like, this doesn't taste right. And like texted the mom like I don't feel like I don't feel safe kind of thing. Thank goodness.

[00:28:31] Like, you can't let your kids go have a freaking sleepover. Like nothing is safe. Nothing is sacred and listen. And what are these like what is wrong with you, sir? Like, I don't think people recognize it and just like you would like to think that not everybody is has that potential.

[00:28:52] But yet all of us know a woman who has been sexually assaulted and yet you talk to men you would act like they have absolutely no idea that math doesn't math. Right. The other situation that happened this past week that was like disturbing there was a case of a gentleman who thought he was going to meet

[00:29:13] two girls for sex ages seven and 11. They he pulled out a gun when he went and saw them. He was taken down by the police when they figured out who he was. He's a 30 year veteran with the United States Marine Corps as a doctor. And the reason he said that he was the reason that he had said online why he was going to meet young children was because his wife wasn't having sex with them anymore.

[00:29:42] So that made sense for him to have sex with a seven and an 11 year old. Like, again back to that math doesn't how does that possibly there's no bear looking for a seven year old. No, no, that can justify it like I don't want anybody looking at me because they think that their wife isn't looking at them gives them heart loss to treat anybody any kind of way.

[00:30:13] Or against any kind of law and at any time. And those same people, there's a version of that it is not it's just not that far of a stretch of justification on how we treat people and who we listen to and what we believe.

[00:30:31] And that's what's disturbing, especially in these like, you know, when you look at a lot of people who agree. I just don't know when there's going to be a shift in power at some point on who is helping making these laws, there has to be some kind of sense and common sense at some point, but we are not in the in the point in United States where we have collective reasoning, we're just not.

[00:30:59] And those days have gone and it is so unfortunate that an embarrassing like, and I think this causes a lot of stress, especially people from underrepresented groups because it's always been like, I'm standing on the shoulders of my ancestors.

[00:31:16] And it's like, so embarrassing to see how far back we went. We've got we've embarrassed. Right?

[00:31:25] Right. And there's literally like, the thought I always have is like, when are all like this is somewhat.

[00:31:34] This is a weird thought, but it's like that how when are all these old men old white man going to die off so that we can actually like make changes that we need to make changes like what change we need.

[00:31:46] But there's like the next generation, the next generation. But it also harkens back to what you just said of people from marginalized underrepresented groups historically destroyed groups that it is like no, but how much longer do we have to wait? Seriously.

[00:32:01] Right.

[00:32:02] Right. And the other thing is, I don't know, they just had the most recently maybe we should talk about this next week. There's a movie that had recently come out that was like really highly sexualized showing has anxiety in it talking about tennis.

[00:32:21] Yeah, and so the word on the street is, oh, people are all into this naughty movie, even though it's not really that naughty, but they were like, God have been the days of they're like we've gone to this asexual like existence where people don't want people to be treated bad over sexualized.

[00:32:41] And now they're like, oh, is this a sign of people being okay? And I just wonder the relationship what we're going to see as a relationship to not caring about people anti DEI laws, not have been having the rights to your own body, being forced to have children, and then rape and sexualizing people

[00:33:02] and the type of things that people look for entertainment as and what we allow, what behavior we allow and that we're not addressing being woken up to not rape or sexually assault someone or to give people the autonomy of their bodies. There's a there is I don't care what you say. There's a direct correlation. I'm not an expert. Don't have to be because I think that's just very on Iran.

[00:33:27] So what you're telling me, this is earth shattering. Wait, did everyone be I'm going to say something to punch me. I might not say this because you're gonna punch me if I do remember like back in the 80s and I think it was like tipper Gore or one of them that was like going against and

[00:33:47] NWA was it was it tipper Gore? Okay, and like it was like NWA and like death metal bands like all of that like she was against all of it and it was like oh well this is gonna start the entire the downfall of the world. Now that was a minute ago. So do you think that that actually started this entire thing is that like tipper Gore was right is what I just heard you say Jackie?

[00:34:13] No, what I'm saying is there's a direct correlation because which came first NWA didn't come first. Okay, saying oh you we don't care about the rights to your own bodies and we can make laws to make the decision for you and you can discriminate against people causes this versus the opposite of that and I will punch you in the throat the next time I see you.

[00:34:38] Okay, I just wanted a I'm just I'm just checking. I just want and it wasn't she was against heavy metal NWA was more just in general. Well, police Yeah, the police did not obviously did not appreciate something or they didn't like public enemy. They didn't like lots of things. Yeah, if the police didn't doesn't resonate with them. It was weird resonated with me oddly. I don't know. Yeah, I don't want to call me. Yeah. And again, I I'm I I joke about it.

[00:35:08] But I don't mean like I do think there's absolutely but I will say about that movie just sidebar real quick. Yeah, I actually randomly read that book. Yeah, because you know, I like the smut novels. You do. And I read that like six months ago and then I saw the like, oh, Zendaya is in this movie and then it was like this like you like during the preview I was like, oh my god, this is

[00:35:29] Did it ruin it for you? I was laughing because I was like, how the heck are they going to do this and not be and not have this be like a triple x kind of like gray like shade whatever the gray shades whatever 50 shades of gray. Oh, no, this is like five steps past that. Yeah, there's there's a lot. There's a lot going on there. They're gonna they have to pull back they can't and plus I don't I mean, like it literally would be a porno if then

[00:35:59] You're gonna have to watch it anyway. And even though people said it's

[00:36:05] I'm sure it's silly and and I the other part is, it's a tennis move.

[00:36:11] I'm not a tennis fan. So which is

[00:36:15] That that's what also kind of made it funny to me because I was like they're taking a sport that like is not known for like the hyper masculinity.

[00:36:26] Right.

[00:36:27] Total athletes to be very clear, but I was like, it's an interesting like that they this is where they said it. But I guess it made sense because you had both genders or you know you had female and male represented there. But anyways, um, all right, Jackie. I hate to say this, but I have to go to

[00:36:46] Me. Oh, same.

[00:36:48] Being adult folks just FYI we kind of had a catch up before this because I did.

[00:36:53] Tell Jackie everything Jackie to tell me everything because one of her children is featured in a very amazing magazine. It's magazine a print ad.

[00:37:04] Yeah, yeah, they're international supermodel

[00:37:07] International. We're gonna do about that.

[00:37:09] NBD NBD kids international international ear model to be clear.

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[00:37:16] That's right.

[00:37:17] Supermodel year, your supermodel. All right, I gotta go folks. Thank you for joining us. This is Katie Van Horn.

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