[00:00:00] Hybrid working brings a huge range of benefits for employees, sleep, eating habits, stress levels, overall sense of well-being. According to a survey of over a thousand workers and the large majority reported feeling less drained at 79%, 78% less stressed, 72% less anxious
[00:00:23] and as a result of spending part of the week working from home. Welcome back folks, this is another episode of It's About Your Paycheck. We are up to episode 30? No. Yeah man. You sure? Yeah. What's up with your age? Thank you bro. Thank you bro.
[00:00:46] My partner in crime over here, Walt. Willie Walt. What we call him? What's up, how you doing today, sir? Walt. Talk about multiple jobs. Trauma. Work trauma. No. I'm good man. How you doing today bro? I'm good man. I'm good bro. Having a great weekend so far. It's
[00:01:09] just going through it man. It's all good man. I'm good bro. Yeah man. So is father's day and wifey was just like, oh man thank you bro. It was like have a good day. Should
[00:01:20] have a good day. I was like yeah we'll work and she's all man like both of us, we both work over the weekends and we mix it into the weekend and whatnot but it's what it is
[00:01:30] man. We had a good day yesterday though. We had a lot of fun yesterday. Children had a nice day. I don't get, I don't like, I hate that it always falls on a Sunday.
[00:01:39] It should be a Saturday because you won't have a good time. You got to take off Monday if you want to have a really good time on Sunday. The good thing is that you can celebrate each other whenever you want. Amen. Amen. Not just on the designated
[00:01:53] days man. That's right bro. No doubt. It's like it was Father's Day every day really. Yeah. If you have a good Father's Day anyway. Yeah. Is she a wiser? I said Peppy's Day. Oh Peppy's Day. No doubt. No doubt. So yeah we're talking about multiple jobs today.
[00:02:11] Working multiple jobs. Being a dad is definitely a multiple job. Being a single mom. Shout out to all the moms out there and they don't got the no shout outs to the dead beat
[00:02:20] dad. I saw a post yesterday that was like get ready for all the single moms who claim Father's Day too. Like not for nothing they should. If you got absentee parent not for nothing it goes both ways in this day and age. I've seen, I've
[00:02:34] met folks that the mom bounced. I'm out. I'll see you later. So it goes both ways this day and age where it's a lot of equality and you know whatever. So but anyway shout out to all the single parents period that are out there doing
[00:02:52] themselves and just have been intentional about being a decent trying to be like you know I don't know we didn't get too far down that rabbit hole but as long as you're trying to be a good parent that's what counts you're not
[00:03:06] gonna nail it every time. No perfect people, no perfect parents, no perfect spouses, no perfect employees, nobody's perfect. No way there you go. See what I'm saying? No doubt but yeah, as we get into today we talk about working multiple
[00:03:22] jobs. I'm gonna give you the pros and cons some legalities to think about little case studies that we found interesting conversation. We're not gonna cover it all in one show. None of our shows will ever encompass the
[00:03:37] entirety of the subject. Is it too much? It's so much and it's the same way on our other podcast as well. It's about payroll. We try to give you all enough to go
[00:03:47] and think and be like oh man I need to research some stuff. I need now I know what to pull on, now I know what to Google, now I know what to research because it's just it's way too much to ever maybe in now we're in 30 shows
[00:04:01] and we might have covered one subject in its entirety but even in a well shoot we're up to 100 and change on the payroll show and we still is just always evolving. That's the beauty of it that's what gives us like the motivation to
[00:04:13] keep doing this because there's so much to talk about and we just again me I always say like when me and Walt started this we were worried about running out of content. I think Walt says something like oh we're only gonna be
[00:04:27] able to do a few shows man. I was like I disagree with you at that time. Yeah you're right yeah what can we do? Why it was because we try to come up with different ideas. What can we talk about?
[00:04:37] Oh man and we were limited in our own thinking about what employee topics could be about and now we find out oh there's so much stuff so we're gonna run out of content. We will not write. We yeah so exactly so let's get into it. We have some
[00:04:55] pay news articles first right you know we're gonna give you some current events and news first. I believe Walt set me up yeah we go Walt set me up first. Mine was interesting right because it overlaps it's about hybrid workers now hybrid remote I'm a big fan of
[00:05:13] remote and hybrid working. I thrived at home it was something that I had always wanted to do early on is work from home because before the pandemic it was like this goal that you had to work towards to ever even
[00:05:27] be able to do that and honestly I only thought I was gonna get there like doing my own business but the pandemic came and changed the game but now we have companies that are really wanting to get folks back into
[00:05:41] the office. I'm not a fan of it I'm not sure why folks companies feel that way. I do hybrid as a middle ground because there are some things that are the fellowship of it the camaraderie of
[00:05:55] seeing it so it's cool and then what gets me mad is that over the last few months really I've been hearing just negative articles about working from home and I'm like dang man I was selling Walt the other day even
[00:06:09] there's a job that I'm sorry there's a post on I don't know TicToc whatever the social media where they're like it's a video skit and they do the soul train line for somebody walking through and it's and the caption is when the 100% remote employee comes into work
[00:06:27] and like it just sets like such a bad tone for you know what I mean and I'm just like oh it's a funny thing this is why come on so anyway I found a really good article that supports the name of the article and it's from the
[00:06:43] guardian.com and of course the link will be in the show notes and the name of the articles hybrid working makes employees happier healthier and more productive study show oh studies yeah study shows so
[00:06:57] I'm just gonna read a little bit of it and I love the stats that it talks about so it says three quarters said going back to work five days a week in an office would damage their well-being hybrid workers make
[00:07:10] employees happier healthier more productive and according to research among UK staff who divided their work week between home and the office three quarters of those who work flexibly found they felt less burnout than when they spent their whole week in the office
[00:07:27] hybrid working brings a huge range of benefits for employees sleep eating habits stress levels overall sense of well-being according to survey of over a thousand workers and the large majority reported feeling less drained at 79% 78% less stressed 72% less anxious and as a result of spending
[00:07:52] part of the week working from home meanwhile 86% said that they they increase in the amount of free time that they had from no longer having to travel to work every day improve their work life balance and help them feel that they could cope better with the
[00:08:07] challenges of daily life in a period said the survey is from international workplace group and um a few more things here hybrid workers cited benefits including better 68% said they have better quality of sleep 54% more they uh said that they exercise more 8% says they have healthier meal preparation
[00:08:31] and 68% just overall better health and then again just to reiterate three quarters of it 75% of the employees said that going back to work five days a week would damage their well-being
[00:08:45] yep yeah i thought it was a great there's more to it if you want to dig into it the the link will be in the show notes but i just how appropriate this article was overlaps on the multiple jobs that we're gonna talk about
[00:08:58] it you know there's a remote piece in there that i'm gonna address i think wall's gonna start us off on the oh no i'm sorry but your your article what do you have to share with us today
[00:09:08] i just wanted to get some information about how many of americans are working multiple jobs and finance.yog.com had a good article on it you know and it said right now at the time of the article there was 8.7 million americans
[00:09:24] that now work multiple jobs and i'm like there's a lot of information here i'm not gonna go too deep into all of it but i'm just gonna go through it and let you know some stuff about why i can
[00:09:34] they could coincide perfectly with the topic that we have multiple jobs today so number one there's a contrast with the start market right so the start market has been doing good despite everything according to this article by yahoo the start market has been
[00:09:50] there's been optimism and stuff like that so there's been contrast with how the start market is people are optimistic about that but americans are struggling so there's that contrast there's also a job we have the jobs report that comes out from the government and stuff and
[00:10:05] they're saying there's a discrepancy between that because it shows job growth and declining unemployment but it it doesn't however reflect economic hardships that are faced by many americans today it said that the number of multiple job holders has increased at this highest since before the pandemic
[00:10:26] increasing by hundreds of thousands per month with 8.4 million in october and now it's at i think at the time of this article it was at which was written in december i think or january it was at 8.7 so this they might be even higher
[00:10:42] now in the present moment just in just in those two months and went up wow and so i did a quick because i didn't have a stat in the article that i saw but there's 100 and estimated 161 americans as of december 2023 were working
[00:10:58] so if you do the math 10 of that is 16 million and then half of that would be that eight million people that are working multiple jobs so five percent doesn't seem like a lot but slowly creeping up and then yeah yeah and the article also went to
[00:11:18] talk about economic pressures that people face the economic gap widening with more with less financial stability increasing for meaning and then this it had talked about some broader implications about like how that impacts consumer spending mental health and overall quality of life it talks about
[00:11:39] poverty and economic strain it says that in 2022 almost 40 million americans were living in poverty so think about that if a hundred and something 160 million americans are working and 40 40 million of those people are living in poverty that's a big chunk of those
[00:12:01] people right it's almost 30 living in poverty yeah right so you gotta think about that go ahead no because it sounds so bad and not that it isn't bad but uh the the poverty is defined as a wage
[00:12:17] that folks get or like a income that they bring in doesn't mean that they're like living in dirt huts right it just means that their wages are below a defined poverty level and i believe the last time i checked it was
[00:12:32] like at 12 grand a year something like that if you made 12 000 or less a year i'm gonna look it up while wall continues it talks about financial security that why individuals struggle with who jobs struggle to meet basic needs and which made it difficult to get ahead
[00:12:50] and also made home ownership often unattainable for those people they don't have them they're just trying to make it and they don't have any down to anything yeah for real the article also talked about which i found interesting that there has been a rise in people
[00:13:06] in the amount of americans who are selling their blood in plasma um with up to eight percent of americans doing so annually so that's up to them to get money yeah and there's a start there's another piece of this stat that said that kind of coincides with
[00:13:21] the 11 percent of americans that live below the poverty line that you would get those are probably some of the same people yeah selling their blood just adding to make some money i'm just gonna yeah let them drain me it's the plat
[00:13:32] but it's the plasma though because unless because wife used to work for the blood center so the blood not so much but it was the plasma that really it was that was like not serious money but i remember her saying oh
[00:13:45] no you get money for that and it's a different thing and but whoever just fun fact whatever yeah yep and again they touched on the start market and how the start market has been like they seen a 20 percent increase in the start market so it's been
[00:14:01] good but like inflation you and i are feeling this everybody that's connected with us is most likely working jobs right now that is not in the 1% of high earners or whatever it is we're all feeling it we're all feeling it we're all going through it right
[00:14:18] thank you and then so that's all i have oh was that damn you went that do that quick um so the poverty level in 2024 for uh one person is $15,000 so if you make 15,000 or less um like $15,060 is the exact number
[00:14:38] so that's like 750,000 something an hour yeah i get minimum wage right i get federal but basically if you make federal minimum wage you are poor yeah that's right you're absolutely right it is about minimum wage no it's see you're getting like me laughing when it's like when it's
[00:14:57] so uncomfortable right like i'm laughing because it's crazy crying laugh to keep from crying because that is crazy but it kind of i think folks have to remember that it does not justify it okay but this is why capitalism is good and bad
[00:15:13] America's built on capitalist system now folks who are very heavy into politics can argue oh no we're part socialist we're part dictator yep sure sure i'm not a political intellect so i can't argue with you but i do know
[00:15:28] that america was built on capitalism and capitalism is built pull yourself up by the bootstraps get your life to you become as successful as you want to be you put the work in you be and for the most part it is true
[00:15:42] sometimes it takes a little longer for others to to crack that egg and really make an omelet while looking at making up but you know that's what it was built on so i'm not surprised that minimum wage keeps you at the poverty level
[00:15:58] you know what i mean i'm not surprised and this is by the way it's on i mean i throw the link in the show notes here for this one it's a government website office of assistant secretary for planning and evaluation
[00:16:09] dot gov so it's a that's the source of this information you can go i'm gonna throw it in here in the show notes with our stuff um yeah just yeah just little things that come up that are interesting
[00:16:21] and then what i was trying to look at before also because i felt like the 160 million employees the people working right now was low because it's probably around 300 to 400 million americans but you have to take into
[00:16:37] account looked it up i was like wait how many americans are working age not working working age age and there's 208 million 200 almost 209 million that are working age and working age is defined between 15 and 64 okay that makes sense yeah just interesting but now that does not say
[00:17:01] that's that's not counting disability who now of that group who are able to work because you maybe 64 you may not be able to work tired tired tired yeah not have a job working yeah so 160 million then it makes more sense that 160 million
[00:17:19] folks are working maybe around half of the population of americans that's awesome thank you for doing that yeah yeah no just little things to think about um so yeah we're gonna I guess get a little bit more into it now with the multiple job piece
[00:17:35] so you want to start us off sir but before we do we got a message from our sponsors oh right yes where is it though it's right here uh is it oh boom i did not see it
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[00:18:29] you might want to get a heads up on what's going to happen with your salary or your or your designation as a an exempt employee so salary and exempt are synonymous for the most part meaning if you're a salaried employee you are most likely exempt from overtime
[00:18:48] meaning you don't you do not qualify for overtime but there's certain threshold and testings that apply to make that true right so dol has a testing thing and uh so that salary threshold is going to increase on
[00:19:03] July 1 and your company will have to make a decision on whether they're going to raise your salary or make you overtime eligible okay so either way now and unfortunately folks if you're at 44 thousand dollars this is because of the threshold is 43 888 dollars
[00:19:25] I don't know how they come up these numbers just round it out like what if you're there you're most unfortunately my guess is you're going to become overtime eligible because it's a big jump to now raise your salary almost 20 000
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[00:21:39] thank you guys the time track all right and now yes we will get into it let's get it let's get it all right again we're talking about working multiple jobs
[00:21:54] um and what is gonna has put us some pros and cons together i got some legal stuff that i'm going to talk about and some what else but you got some considerations we gotta see that now yeah
[00:22:07] all right cool we'll take us through it man all right so i'm gonna start off with the pros and then we're gonna go to the cons probably build them up and break them down sorry yeah build
[00:22:15] them up break it down all right so the pros is for pros right of course there could be more these are just yeah something to think about yeah so number one the positives right you get more money we're
[00:22:27] living in hard times we need to make ends meet working multiple jobs you can cover more expenses pay off that debt are saved for future goals sometimes there are people who are in decent
[00:22:37] positions and they're like you know what i need i need that second job so i can have the lifestyle that i want so i can save for the future so i can retire and those things and the second pro is
[00:22:47] what will help you develop those skills so working in different roles can help employees you can get a diverse skill set you can be a professional during the day and then work at or then be a
[00:22:57] blue collar person at night or in the evening or do a gig economy or uber whatever vice versa and then those go ahead no i like it i like it sorry oh then number three it provides opportunity
[00:23:10] to network right you never know who you're gonna hear you'll possibly meet in working those multiple jobs right you may run into somebody that's gonna take your life in a different area or whatever just by working those multiple things and so you can build a broader professional network
[00:23:26] that way potentially and then number four is adds a little bit and if you think about it adds a little bit of job security like by having multiple sources of income because hey okay if i
[00:23:38] lose one then maybe i can just go full time at the other one or if you're savvy and you work to a full-time remote jobs you might you'll have something else to talk about that yep because
[00:23:50] there's some people there doing that so that's the pros brine's gonna cover the cons real quick all right so some of the cons are um of course increase stress and fatigue it is what it is
[00:24:03] which also leads to number two which is limited personal time if you do what you love it may not be a problem but if you're doing two things you hate then your stress and fatigue will increase
[00:24:13] your work satisfaction decreases and then of course number three it's gonna it could lead to potential burnout you're just nobody is a machine yet cyborgs are not here yet i did number two yeah limited personal time okay okay yeah and again which these two lead to burnout
[00:24:35] and then possibly you could have a possible conflict of interest and it again just so it's so awesome that are it all overlaps because i'm gonna get into this and in my segment as i
[00:24:48] talked through some of these things here because if you're working for competing companies or have overlapping job responsibilities it can lead to conflicts of interest in ethical dilemmas so be careful there and i think i'm gonna touch on it again but look at your handbook read your
[00:25:05] employee handbooks as we've said a few times on this show and i know don't actively avoid it it actively avoided we discovered walt discovers 67 percent of employees actively don't read it
[00:25:19] you know what i mean so try not to let's just try to change that was that i ain't reading that crap yeah yeah exactly i'll be honest i hadn't i hadn't started reading it until i got more serious
[00:25:33] about payroll and realized that the handbook actually has things in there that is a payroll professional you have to be mindful of that's when i started reading hand but i was five or so
[00:25:44] years into my career where i was just like oh wait a minute what i gotta read the handbook to i got it you don't got to but it it it makes you a better payroll professional yeah to be to
[00:25:56] be proactive about it you know what i mean yeah and then you want to cover the considerations yeah we'll go through them so some considerations and then we'll elaborate on these a little
[00:26:04] bit more especially the legal parts of it yeah i got some legal stuff yeah we talked we talked on it already work life balance right that like that limited personal time yeah burnout so you want to
[00:26:16] evaluate whether the additional income is even worth it yes like how it might impact your personal life or your health there's a saying that brian and i came up with all money and good money
[00:26:28] word you know what i'm saying word so they brian said the other day and i just held on to it like all money and good money another thing real quick about it is do the math if because i remember
[00:26:38] at one point i had somebody on my team that kept wanting to do a second job right he works for me hourly and he kept wanting to do a second job and i'm like and i had to tell him yo that you could
[00:26:50] actually do overtime here with us and that would kind of you could do less of the second job yeah right so do the math first because if you have opportunity to do overtime i'm not saying that it's
[00:27:04] guaranteed and then it's mandated if you have an opportunity to do overtime at your first job remember you get in time and a half for overtime that's a great call out so go on do the math and
[00:27:16] you may not need a second job if you have opportunity to do more overtime at your first job just think that's a good consideration it's a good consideration because don't when you have to
[00:27:28] think about it and yes you may work out a stressful job like brian was saying yes and maybe this and maybe that you may not even like some of your coworkers or your boss right but that's something
[00:27:37] you got to get past you honestly have to get past it because it was because it's my course yeah to make your ends meet right like so think about that if i'm making a pretty good uh chunk of
[00:27:47] change per hour and i'm hourly or if i'm salary non-exempt because there are some situations where you're salary non-exempt too and basically hourly though but yeah so and like say you work part
[00:28:01] time so you only work two or three hours a day at the other part-time job well that that might like brian was saying that our extra hour per day at your other job or coming in on a Saturday
[00:28:12] collecting that OT on a Saturday might outpay that the other job the whole other job exactly exactly right do the math yep yep no i was gonna say nursing was a is a great example
[00:28:26] my when my wife was a floor nurse she would always be like oh i'm gonna get a second job i'm gonna get a second job just pick up a shift at your job it'd be and they'll always have to
[00:28:34] remind them just pick up another shift you know what i mean like oh yeah you know what that's right because a lot of times not again it's not guaranteed but with nursing it's always somebody
[00:28:43] who needs a day off who wants to switch their days and blah blah blah blah so it depends on your industry but yeah it's just a great consideration then number two plain and simple there might be
[00:28:54] some legal and contractual obligations that you need to definitely consider number three time management enough said that's simple enough like you want to plan things out carefully to avoid levels conflicts of schedules and make sure you have enough rest between jobs because like
[00:29:09] like brian said earlier burnout is a thing yeah i know you want to have some financial planning consideration in there prioritize paying off the right debt first building an emergency fund if you can and saving for long-term goals because if you're just working to just work
[00:29:27] and everything and just avoid going home then might be i might have a different problem yeah that's and then number five is health and well-being really think about that because as we did in our
[00:29:40] last episode why more marigolds are depressed and why war marigolds are spending more it's because it has to do with their self-care and stress and fatigue and mental health so this you working more doesn't mean it's gonna yes you might be more financially healthy but physically mentally
[00:29:57] you might be damaging yourself so yeah really consider that you want to consider the tax implications because the more money you earn potentially more taxes you're gonna have to pay so is it even worth it mm-hmm pushes you into a higher bracket remember we did a show on
[00:30:13] tax brackets and how your income dictates how much taxes come out of your checks and think about this is a really good one tax implications because it may not be happening on a per-check basis
[00:30:26] with your two jobs because they don't know that and they don't legally have to if you're not overlapping by the way we're gonna talk about that but if let's say you're doing it right and
[00:30:36] you're working two different jobs two different shifts they don't care about the other job right as far as taxes are concerned so it's not until when you go file that you think you may be
[00:30:47] thinking you're in one bracket and then when you go file in tax got tax person maybe like whoa you got two jobs you're now you're in a higher bracket and now you owe money so instead of
[00:30:59] thinking you write you one job you may have been getting money back oh i'm i get three grand back every year oh this is great with two jobs i'm gonna get more back no guess what those two jobs may have
[00:31:10] pushed you into another bracket that you're now not satisfying during your checks and now you owe money at the end of the year yep so again there's a considerations that you have to do you have
[00:31:23] to do the math you have to do all this stuff so my bad go ahead no you're good and then you want to consider the insurance and benefits right because you may have may work a full-time job
[00:31:33] and be covered in certain areas which is fine which is good but you also want to think about those part-time jobs that you may be doing are those gig jobs because they may not offer
[00:31:43] certain protections like your normal job does and that may factor in right those things because maybe some good jobs don't provide you with some some levels of coverage that you may get at
[00:31:54] working at a full-time job or normal job right this things to consider like that and then the last thing you want to consider is the long-term goals like why am i doing this in my house and i have no
[00:32:05] choice am i doing this so i can save money all factors in right yes you want to work those most of the jobs and have less time with your kids and family and family and mistake and miss out
[00:32:18] on potential things by doing that that's those are all different things you want to consider as an employee right so working that working multiple jobs might be necessary for some people it can provide necessary financial support and additional opportunities but you have to weigh
[00:32:35] the benefits in the pros and the cons weigh those the drawbacks right and thoroughly consider the personal health the legal implications which brine is going to talk about here and the long-term goals that you have before you make a decision you want to make an informed
[00:32:51] decision right yep and i just want to before i get into mine i want to touch back on a few things the why right the long-term goal piece because i again because you don't want to burn out if
[00:33:05] you're doing it for a specific reason like to get out of debt make sure that you do the math right okay i needed i need to work x amount to make this i'm gonna get out of my debt and i know
[00:33:18] i only have to do this second job for six months or a year don't get caught up in the don't get caught up in the second job beyond the point that you plan for because then you definitely gonna burn
[00:33:30] out just keep that in mind don't lose because you get used to that extra money and then a lot of people what they do is all i'm making extra money oh i'm just buy a new car i'm gonna do this
[00:33:39] and then you lost your whole purpose right maintain that purpose and then what else um um yeah i got you um the oh the workers come like how you talked about insurance benefits
[00:33:56] job right yes but the gig worker the gig thing is what did it because like a lot of sometimes you do gig work or you're doing off the book work you do side work type of thing but guess what
[00:34:07] what if you get hurt on that second job that off the book second gig work job there's no workers compensation exactly now you lost your first job your main job because you lost all the income
[00:34:20] you lost all your income no benefit no coverage no nothing no protection because you're on your second so just something to think that's big nugget man thank you man yeah no absolutely and so yeah
[00:34:33] so the things that i wanted to cover were from like department of labor perspective as far as if you're working two jobs because a big question is wait do i get overtime if i work two jobs
[00:34:45] yes only if you're working for the same company okay and makes and also because we've been there a lot of some companies have multiple businesses under one parent company right if you know that it's ultimately the same business and sometimes employees don't even realize this that because
[00:35:05] i remember when we went and not not charter but for i was at four eyes they have they had hundreds of locations across the country but some of them were under different tax ids different
[00:35:19] einds which is technically a different entity but all owned by the same parent group so the employee didn't realize or and nor should they have if they're working from one store to the next
[00:35:30] store doing picking up shifts at another store that they didn't get overtime and it's and it wasn't because of they shouldn't have it was just because the system didn't automatically do it across einds
[00:35:42] across tax ids different entities you had to now manually do a step in there to get them there over time point is if this if you know it's the same company then yes you are absolutely
[00:35:55] doing overtime now if you're in two different companies for example if you work at publics during the day but you work at the movie theater at night and they're not the same company that's not the
[00:36:06] same company and you know it's true then you're not going to get overtime there you're just going to get more money from doing the multiple jobs so that's a big call out you absolutely
[00:36:14] because there are situations where oh no that's another store and you don't work that's not our entity to know if it's the same company you should be getting overtime okay and then let's see okay i
[00:36:25] i caught an article out there from sherm and again link is in the show notes sherm is a an hr i don't know source of information i don't know if there's a governing body but an official
[00:36:38] entity in the hr world and a professional organization that's a good way to say it that's for hr organization and they have some key points they have something out there for hr professionals who have employees that work multiple jobs but this is specifically like you
[00:36:54] said two full-time jobs on the same shift and this became a thing during the pandemic because now people are working from home and they thought they think they can get slick and they can work two jobs on the same shift and i'm not one to knock anyone's hustle
[00:37:14] but i also believe that how you do anything is how you do everything so if you can maintain your good to great status both of them on the same shift god bless you
[00:37:25] but most likely you're not you're not you're gonna be mediocre at best at both and that for me i cannot do it's unacceptable for me for me as a professional i cannot be mediocre i cannot
[00:37:37] he's okay i have to be y'all he's really good at his job or he's great at his job if not i don't want to do it i'm not doing it and that's anything right that's how i do anything if i'm not good or
[00:37:46] great at it i don't want to do it but here's some things that employees need to consider if you're trying to do that right and this is what kind of thinking about it from the other
[00:37:56] lands this is where hr is thinking of and it goes both ways right the dual employment risk if you work two full-time jobs it can lead to burnout decreased productivity compromise job performance and it also poses a risk of conflict of interest and erodes trust within
[00:38:11] the company if you know your co-workers doing that they need me like i'm just do getting over i don't you don't trust them anymore you don't know there's a lack of trust there because
[00:38:21] wait a minute i don't want to give it to them i don't want to collaborate with them because they're gonna be they're working two jobs something like that now if you are doing this and you're
[00:38:31] worried about getting caught your employer does have to verify this okay they can't do it on speculation they like most things when a company terminates you or has anything they must have caused they must have documented cause we talk about employment oh i'm an employment at will
[00:38:49] state yeah that that doesn't mean they can just fire you at will without force okay it just means they can fire you of course without having to go through a legal battle of it if your job if your
[00:39:02] job has the documentation and the backup for cause you're gone you're gone they're out you're out of here if they can can point to the days and times and incidents if they can
[00:39:15] point to the fact that you've impacted financial productivity and all your out so same thing applies here they have to verify that you actually are do have two jobs overlapping right now this again
[00:39:30] i'm the call out this is two jobs that are on the same shift yep okay if you have different shifts it's it is okay and it's legal then it's fine you may again you may have to the
[00:39:41] we talked about the legal wall had covered the legal aspects of it like it's not a conflict of interest right you may not be able to work for google and apple at the same time microsoft and
[00:39:50] apple at the same time they are conflicting competitors in most regard right they don't want you working that is a conflict for them right so things like that so what else is it oh number three is open communication if suspected engage in confidential conversations to understand the
[00:40:06] reasons behind the dual employment so meaning hr wants a good hr department's gonna want to know why you're doing this and maybe there's something that they can do to help hey it's money you need
[00:40:17] this is the way they should be going through things but on the now number four is more on the employee side company policies if you're working two jobs you need to be aware of your company policy on outside employment some companies allow it if there's no conflict
[00:40:34] of interest right you see the repeating patterns here the repeating things that we're saying right and while others may have strict prohibition they may not allow it at all but you don't know unless you read your handbook right you got to read your handbook and understand that because
[00:40:48] if you're in violation of your company handbook and they prove it guess what that's all the backup they need we validated that you're doing this and in this article i believe or one of
[00:40:59] these i think it was this article one they had uh there was an employee who was suspected and one the that employer called the other employer wow yep because they boom instant backup instant verification and validation instant termination and guess what you can get terminated
[00:41:16] from both jobs at that point yep so you gotta you gotta be aware again i don't knock anybody's hustle but be aware of what you're doing um again number five is supporting solutions like employers might work with employees to adjust their compensation or provide a different
[00:41:32] schedule look you know what hey they're an amazing employee and you got a great relation with them you know your employee might say look why don't you work a different shift keep the other job
[00:41:42] work a different shift for us i can help you out you know what i mean again look at the handbooks and the rules rules regarding outside employment should be clearly outlined in the handbook so if it's there and kind of coincides with number four the company policies right
[00:41:57] exactly exactly and then work environment employers are encouraged to create a healthy work environment promotes balances more again for the employer but that's it's i just wanted to extract some of the key points from this article from the employee's perspective so
[00:42:13] that one was more for the employee but again understanding these points can help you as an employee navigate the complexities of dual employment and maintain transparency with your employers because it's not you should not try to do multiple jobs and that rolls us right into our
[00:42:33] safe talk conversation yeah right so perfectly crafted safe talk question is should employers penalize or terminate employees for working multiple jobs for me no yeah go ahead i think that should they penalize or terminate employees for working multiple jobs no because if you're
[00:42:55] going to do that you're going to have to make sure as an employer you got to make sure that it's clearly defined clearly outlined in your company policies in your employee handbook
[00:43:04] as to why that may be a problem now if you don't have any verbiage on that you want to be smart about that because this can lead to litigation as the employee can reach out to
[00:43:15] somebody say hey they don't they fired me and i was doing a good job i got good reviews i got my job was not impacted but they found out i was working another job and they fired me yep so that
[00:43:28] for me you want to be smart about it right yeah and look i'm sorry from an employer's point of view uh so or either or employee that my my sentiment is the same if you get if you're doing overlapping
[00:43:50] if you're trying to be slick and work the same two eight hour shifts nine to five two different jobs you're how can i say you're gonna neglect one or the other right or both you're gonna be
[00:44:01] mediocre at best at both if you're pulling it off then guess what it's probably not a full-time job it's not your fault because you got two part-time jobs you know what i'm saying because if you
[00:44:12] could successfully do two full-time jobs on the same shift then guess what it's not too part-time job it's not too full-time jobs or maybe you're overqualified and you're able to do it
[00:44:23] really easy and guess what you could probably go get one job that pays as much as both of them you know what i mean there's something really wrong there if you can work two full-time jobs
[00:44:33] and the same so any who if you're it should you get terminated i think penalized yes i my opinion is yes if you're working two full-time jobs or two jobs period overlapping same shift and you
[00:44:46] your employee can prove it yes you should be penalized or terminated okay fair fair all right before we sign off here are a couple quick things don't forget to follow it's about payroll on
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