Bin Laden Lost the War. America is Still Paying the Price

Twenty-five years after 9/11, one question still doesn't have a clean answer: did Osama bin Laden actually win?

In this solo episode, Scott Kelly goes goal-by-goal through what bin Laden said he wanted — U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia, an end to support for Israel, toppled Arab regimes, a global caliphate, and an America bled into bankruptcy — and scores each one against what actually happened over the next 25 years. Then he traces the real cost of the response: the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and against ISIS, the $12.9 trillion bill, the institutions built in the aftermath (the DNI, the AUMF, an unaccountable executive war power), and how the current war with Iran might be finishing what bin Laden started — or giving a dead terrorist too much credit for America's own choices.

What's covered:

• The four goals bin Laden laid out — and which ones actually happened
• 940,000+ direct war deaths, 30,000+ post-9/11 veteran suicides, and a bill that keeps growing
• How the Global War on Terror rewired U.S. intelligence, special operations, and the balance of war powers between Congress and the president
• The case that bin Laden won a "structural" victory even in tactical defeat — and the case that this is all self-inflicted
• Where the Iran war, the AUMF, and alliance strain fit into the 25-year scorecard