The Dark Web Exposed! What Hackers Are Hiding From You. (Episode 32)

[00:00:00] People Can Kill Your Identity, People Can Hack into Your Accounts, You See All Those Celebrities That Get Their iPhone Hacked And All Their Pictures End Up On The Internet. I'm important to keep all that stuff that you hold dear away from people that want to be malicious

[00:00:16] with it. Welcome back folks. This is episode 32 of It's About Your Paycheck and today we will be talking about how to protect our data, our cybersecurity. We had a great guest on before who is going to come back and share some awesome things with us. Before that though,

[00:00:35] what's up Walt? How are you doing today sir? Good man, happy Sunday. The end of June, July is almost here. I'm good man. I was a little under it in the last couple days or whatever but I'm feeling better today. I'm good man. How about yourself?

[00:00:52] Good man. Your camera looks clean. Did you get a new camera? Yeah, I was the one. You didn't get a new camera? Alright. I'm trying to stand today because my butt was hurting

[00:01:01] so long like when I sat and usually sit down I'm like, let me try standing for a minute and then I can sit down if I get tired. You know what I mean? You're very welcome. Change it up, get a little different view in the background.

[00:01:13] Switch it up bro. Yeah man. That's it bro. Let's go. We got some pay news we're going to get into before our guest gets on so let's get to it. What you got for us today, Walt?

[00:01:28] Oh so I have an article by Digital Guardian. The article was written by Christopher Brooke. Talks about the citizen of Timothy Young who was a former employee. The sentencing officer? Yeah he was sentent. He used to be a former employee of a data analytics and risk assessment firm.

[00:01:46] Okay. And he stole and sold company data. Dang. Yeah so Timothy Young used an alias to advertise the non-public information which included name, passwords and contact details which is a lot. So the company was suspected to be Ferris analytics based on his LinkedIn profile. Oh.

[00:02:10] Yeah he was caught by the FBI. That's the one he made up. Yeah. Okay. No they're thinking that's his actual company that it was. Oh. Okay. Got it. So he got caught up because the guy was monitoring him and so he engaged with them online and

[00:02:26] they ultimately paid him like half a Bitcoin for access to stolen data. Oh wow. That was the transaction that led to his arrest in May of 2019. But he pleaded guilty to the wirefrog and was sent this to almost two years in prison.

[00:02:43] Finally by three years the barrage released and he was ordered to pay a restitution of almost $300,000. Oh dang. Yeah that's not half a Bitcoin so he definitely didn't come out on top. No he didn't. So what about you? What you got man?

[00:03:00] Very interesting keeping in thread, keeping on brand for this episode. Three employees were fired in one of the biggest Massachusetts largest health systems, healthcare system. Four leaking PII like accidentally they didn't mean to do it but one employee looks like

[00:03:21] the article looks like one employee gave another employee like a coworker their access to get some help on a project. Wow. Yep and because someone had access that wasn't supposed to have the access right

[00:03:38] it was a leak basically that's a breach and yep they had to fire after the investigation they realized it in April in the beginning of April and then the investigation lasted until the end of May and they ended up firing three employees for this privacy breach basically. Wow.

[00:03:57] So yeah man this stuff is important folks don't realize I hope folks do realize how important it is we always talk about cybersecurity protecting data as a payroll HR professional it's a must as an employee as a human that lives next to the digital world

[00:04:15] this day because if you're not connected then hey don't worry about it but those folks are few and far apart most of us are connected to the internet in some way and if that's

[00:04:26] the case then we have to be mindful of our data we have to we have to safeguard our data we have to do any all the things that we can do and then we'll learn more

[00:04:34] from Anthony today about what those things are and how do we do that yeah before before Anthony comes on we have a word from our sponsor. All right contract go so summarized arrived as you went with it there's a perfect opportunity

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[00:06:28] Yeah so that was nice but those first five questions I was like man I'm gonna fail I had no idea what was going on but those were like PVQ's so they're like real world issues that

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[00:07:01] They caught you all card that's the stuff though but you pass so that means you got the goods man yeah no doubt correct that's good man how long we were studying for it where is that how long

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[00:07:28] I did it online I didn't buy it you like hardware okay but that was I had to take like a networking test to get my network plus certificate so that didn't help out with that but there wasn't

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[00:07:55] man that's exciting bro I already started applying jobs with this sir my change my resume I got it like right at the top now I'm gonna cut this part out then so you can we are recording so I'll edit this out

[00:08:10] oh it's fine yeah right when I got it I changed my resume to put it in there so people know good that's what's up we talk about that one of the show is like how we should track our accomplishment

[00:08:24] in real time as they're happening this is a resume item go ahead and keep a draft of a resume that you just keep in running stuff for you know what I mean because like we don't think about it you think

[00:08:34] you don't think about it and so the next time you go apply for a job and then you're like oh my gosh what did I do for the past five years even a year worth of accomplishment isn't a lot so

[00:08:42] have to try to remember after this year has passed though you think there's like a paper trail too so as long as you have a paper trail that you can put in the resume oh that's real good well yeah

[00:08:53] some of us we know all hot paper trails but that's cool yeah no doubt no doubt okay so yeah guys man it's going we're rolling and just trying to expand stuff and learning stuff we're still

[00:09:09] learning man even though we've been doing this podcast for about a year or two three years yeah we're still learning stuff we're still growing we're still discovering stuff we're still getting that discovery mode and having to change and adapt as things change right like that I think

[00:09:24] one of the most surprising things that we learned is that there was a fear where we initially started this that we wouldn't have enough cover we wouldn't have enough topic non-financial and the things content to go over but now we're discovering about there's a there's an endless

[00:09:41] supply of it for you they just like yeah it all meant to go around with payroll and jobs I appreciate what you guys are doing man oh thank you we appreciate the help man

[00:09:55] so let's get into it we got Anthony back on the show today to talk about cyber security and newly fresh off of a nice past newly minted with some more credentials galatians

[00:10:11] and the stuff but yeah congrats on that man that's awesome and look our first question here for you is for no brainer we think but why is protecting our data so important even if it's just you

[00:10:24] it's not like you don't own a business it's just your personal data correct yep people can feel your identity people can hack into your accounts you see all those celebrities that get their iphone hacked and all their pictures end up on the internet I'm being important to people

[00:10:40] that stuff that you hold dear away from people that want to be malicious with it so yeah it's a lot of what you gotta think of it as your house well you're in your house you want

[00:10:52] privacy you know what people come in utter now that's basically what the hackers are doing hello it's a great analogy yep the vet and then you know the laws as soon as you own a business

[00:11:07] let's say we're here we're at a hospital and you have help information that stuff get fine hundreds of thousands of dollars if that's not or careless with it and even just credit cards to target got hit 40th team me yep thing was 2016 hundreds of thousands of personal information

[00:11:31] got out they got hit with a big bar they had zero security you would think target would no better but it was zero security no that goes into like business continuity we've done a couple

[00:11:44] shows on that from the other podcast where it talks about different protections that businesses that have in place and that's a part of that I think unfortunately like businesses are no reactors in some cases then black to target in that case look you spoke to was reactive

[00:12:03] like they didn't say oh we need to guard again yep yeah yep it should be automatic man if you select the PCI the payment card industry has certain laws oh and you got to follow those

[00:12:20] rigidity you have to keep up with all that and I don't know who dropped the ball or target didn't think they could get hit but it was one of their the credit card systems at a third party that

[00:12:33] comes in that's there it is then they went into target so that's what it is yeah you gotta find a back door through that third party yeah we've heard so many stories and we've done different

[00:12:49] through crime stories on our shows about third party people providers being the ones that the hackers access the information through yep crazy man that's why you can't give them like can't give them high access to your network you have to create your own their own account

[00:13:11] and have it blocked off from everybody because if they have a frozen on their computer and they're logged in as admin it's your system that trojan has admin right now wow they have their own

[00:13:27] yep they go anywhere that's dope uh anthony you can start all your own business you can do your whole so yeah consulting in bro oh man there's so much opportunity in it because it's

[00:13:38] I feel like cybersecurity is in its infancy stages um even though for someone like you you're like wait no this is goes years back and targets should have been aware I think they're still

[00:13:50] trying to catch up right and look in that instance it wasn't targeted with the third party so they got to expand their audit criteria and requirements and things right so we were just talking about

[00:14:03] right before you got on we reported some cyber security issues and we mentioned there were some employees in massachusetts at one of their biggest hospital systems that got fired because one employee shared their credentials with another employee who wasn't pretty to the data

[00:14:22] and they discovered the breach like in the beginning of April they did an investigation by the end of May three three employees got fired gone right yeah gone what they accessed they did a lot of hospitals

[00:14:36] if there's someone famous there people would share their credentials it was patient information yeah yep yeah I heard real quick yeah like that boom because especially at a hospital you

[00:14:46] got to sign hippal law you got to sign things and the a's and all these things that you're not but you can't share you can't do employee thinking oh this is all good I just need help on my project

[00:14:58] nope this stuff is real man we and we and I'm like I really love the articles we shared because and having you on because we really want to like highlight guys folks in the world people

[00:15:08] of all types here we got to be we got to be mindful of this we it is serious and we probably not as even ourselves I don't know if I'm as secure as I should be you know a lot of people are like

[00:15:21] yeah I talk to people too they're like I don't care the government has my information I'm not going to get anything wrong but it's not just about not about that you know all about your life and

[00:15:32] if that information gets out someone can get a credit card in your name with your social security don't burn get a passport go mortgage crazy yeah if you got good credit like buying houses

[00:15:46] and cars and credit cards all that you have no idea yes the perfect segue then Anthony we understand the importance of it but how can we protect ourselves and protect our data all right yeah I've

[00:16:00] made a little little list here for you guys that's where first one is strong password like the password 123 doesn't cut it anymore these hackers have terabytes and terabytes of passwords already already written they just hit a button that they go down all the list usually they can get

[00:16:23] in this colored group force because people use easy password or they do any kind of investigation about you street address they found out the name of your dog your mom made me which is all online

[00:16:37] easy google then they can start guessing from that throne passwords I'd say at least 12 characters oh wow capital letter lower case special character numbers nice and then well wow before you before you continue Anthony you're so right because there are sites like Spokio is a site right

[00:17:00] you can go do a free people search on their work and get like basic general information you can get I can search Brian on there now and find out his address who lives in the house with

[00:17:12] just a free search wow that's great wow and that's why they collect their information because that that data is valuable somebody now they can put that information behind a paywall if people pay

[00:17:24] for that information to get it and they got what I mean so yeah it's I don't like all the data dealing that's going on in every country I mean it's going on everywhere so that's why TikTok

[00:17:42] might get banned here because Chinese company and the US wants our data but they don't want China to have it yeah exactly you know it's like you can get it right y'all can't have it so that

[00:17:57] and then I would say always two factor always multi factor at this point because they have even you can even go past the two yep they'll put like email a personal email a phone number they'll call you they'll call yourself always two factor especially at work these companies

[00:18:20] have two factor at work everywhere yeah yeah usually that the enterprise level they're forcing it you don't have a choice yeah always google does it for personal every time I get on

[00:18:31] site in somewhere it sends me a message on my phone saying is this you yeah they ever a lot so that's definitely important see what else I put here always update everything patch your system always these patches are super important because people are just poking these operating system

[00:18:56] these web applications always poking to see what they can get away with with the the provider or the owner of the web app sends out or your phone even always update I didn't

[00:19:10] have so that day um okay so so let me ask you let me ask you oh right no good so this this wasn't one of the questions we had here but you came to me while you were talking it is

[00:19:24] because you mentioned a paper trail earlier in the show right is keeping a paper trail of our documents and data a good way to protect ourselves like having a actual physical copies

[00:19:37] at home yeah locked up I would say that's the safest place for them is locked up in a safe in your house trying to keep them off the the web but that's not feasible anymore our day

[00:19:49] and age okay so it's yeah it's just not feasible anymore but um past strong password does update too fat multi-factor what else yep encryption do you guys use what's that or facebook messenger you use what's at but no but here's a good question for someone like

[00:20:13] yourself what is the benefit of what's that because everybody says right away oh encryption but all right just in the app though right it's right just from your person like what is the benefit

[00:20:24] of what's out why is like sms and mms messages there can be someone in the middle of your conversation with somebody so you send out a text not encrypted someone can be a man in the middle

[00:20:40] intercepted it changed what you're trying to send to somebody really it's not encrypted not hashed if you're sending something extremely important so the hash they said so no that nothing

[00:20:57] changed in the message so it hashes it and then you'll have as long as it gets there and the hashes match you know no one's touched it but encryption they have asymmetric and symmetric

[00:21:12] a symmetric is public so you have a public key and a private key and you'll send your private key to who you want to yeah you'll send your private key to the person you're messaging

[00:21:25] they can unlock it with the public key so that's but that's a good way to send data not even just texting but data all together the encryption is really important now especially when quantum computing is coming up so quantum computing regular encryption is not going to work anymore

[00:21:51] so it's going to be obsolete so we have it's quantum encryption coming up make sure that because with the hacker that or these state hackers these state actors that will have access to quantum computers they'll be able to get into like a 24 character password

[00:22:10] matter of hours because those computers are some strong so always encrypt but that's why what's that is that's why I like it it tells you right there that this is encrypted message wow just so you know I think you also mentioned Facebook messenger is that encrypted as well

[00:22:29] that's encrypted too not sure about iMessage but I was gonna ask are Apple iMessages aren't it probably is because they don't send SMS theirs is right not through cellular so it probably is

[00:22:45] but when it's SMS SMS not encrypted if you get an app for it will be all certain apps will encrypt it but a lot of those old phones that they just have the SMS default app those were encrypted

[00:23:03] I'm not sure if they've updated them now to be encrypted but I just know that's like a dangerous dangerous thing so I'm gonna ask no go ahead go ahead no because I was gonna go to the next

[00:23:15] question but if you still are asked or something from this current question go ahead yeah we're talking about how we can protect our data you're going through your list yep make sure you have a

[00:23:25] secure wi-fi so once you get that router that changes the password changes that default password okay because people search for them online and they can work get in yeah to always change the default password for everything especially wi-fi routers and even like the web

[00:23:46] applications for printers at your jobs change those I know a couple brothers printers I memorize them if someone calls I can just get in without asking for the password holy cow pass that's all it is

[00:24:01] and you're able to get right into the web go we for a printer then you can use those printers for a DDoS attack can make it so they can't print something a lot

[00:24:13] good these people control these devices and send all that data back to a main control computer and you won't even know so it's good to have that especially for a business but especially if like you live in an apartment complex too you should always use that default password

[00:24:34] like some hackers called war driving they'll drive around the city and see what wi-fi they can pick up in their car try to break in driving around or they have drones called war flying here they'll fly around pick up the wi-fi signals try to break

[00:24:54] in wow I used to know this dude yeah I used to know this dude that would he he didn't have wi-fi that is created so he would drive around just to pick up wi-fi and work from his car and

[00:25:06] working with somebody yeah just to do his work like malicious other than stealing the wi-fi connection yeah do his work but those who show you like in fact that you could just drive around

[00:25:16] and post up in front of houses and just pick up somebody why get in you know what I mean and like yeah oh and then that's their network now you know the private stuff you do they can

[00:25:29] see what sites you're going to they can see what you're looking at they can even get into your web game wow yeah crazy wow so so you remember that story that that came out a little bit a little

[00:25:44] while ago I think google actually got in trouble because they you know how you can go incognito or private those private browsers they said that they were still capturing that data so does that actually protect you going into a private or incognito at all no you're the data

[00:26:04] you're sending out and bring it back into your house has to go out it's just that the local is not saved but people can still see the sites you're going to they can still see everything

[00:26:19] you're doing but that's just like for your browser if you put incognito it won't save on the browser it still has to go to the internet that's why you can use like a VPN you see all those

[00:26:31] commercials for VPNs on YouTube some of those aren't they say that they're good but you can still fairly well trained hacker can still see what you're doing oh hard yeah well like I work from

[00:26:46] home so I have a VPN this was pretty good it's called global protect my company actually got hacked in 2017 why I had read somewhere and they were down for a month oh my god yeah I'm on so for remote

[00:27:05] so what I'm hearing and correct me if I'm long here because I don't want to I don't want to make an assumption but what I'm hearing from you is that if we are a remote worker that we should at

[00:27:15] least have some sort of VPN what you should access thing if you're accessing documents or any kind of data from the sites that you work at from their data centers to always have a VPN

[00:27:29] usually you can't even access them unless you have a VPN though I don't know like for your job you guys use a VPN at all I don't have a deal no is it you use like web apps for most of your stuff

[00:27:45] you like log into a web application they probably use cloud like a cloud provider and that cloud provider is charged with security so your job might not have to worry about it and that that

[00:28:00] cloud provider will be the ones that will take care of the security to make sure all that data's safe that's a man oh all right I got it one more okay cool one more yeah two more granted

[00:28:19] is yeah yeah just read about it especially if you're worried about those intimate pictures you have with your significant other or your kids that you don't want out just read about how you can protect that's the best thing if you're aware and then

[00:28:36] security software you guys use firewalls at all yeah are you on you guys are on windows machine yeah yeah so you have windows defender yep you ever look at it you make sure it's on

[00:28:51] yeah my company makes sure that it's always on yeah yeah yeah you can just play with them and you can play with them see like the stuff you can stop websites from stop your kids from

[00:29:03] going to certain websites with the firewall it's awesome yeah they can do a lot that's it man no okay thank you thank you man so let me ask you that to answer the next question so

[00:29:16] is our data being accessed or hacked by others is that inevitable is it gonna happen no matter what we do so there's no 100 safe for anything there's still gonna be workarounds for everything

[00:29:32] we want coming about they're gonna have quantum hacking it's just yeah it's inevitable but you can stop it and you can detect it and you can stop it while it's so they have to plan out for companies

[00:29:47] how they're going to get in and if you have the right software or the right setup then it'll take them a long time it'll make it harder for them to get it but it won't be

[00:29:57] there's nothing 100 secure at all especially with a credit big company people can get on site as a visitor plug in a usb drive do a lot if you don't have those ports blocked they can

[00:30:13] just leave it in the computer the person signs in it's key logging everything or it throws a worm in there that worms in your system now and worms don't need any human connection to spread through a network once it gets on your computer and you're out of network

[00:30:30] it replicates itself throughout the entire network not picking up any usb's and plugging them in randomly one of the parking lot at your job sleeping oh my god so people so hackers would actually do that they would purposely leave yeah wow yep someone wants to

[00:30:51] know what's on this usb if it's someone from the company they give it back that can they put it into their work computer it's done wow there if you have a good response team

[00:31:05] they could try to mitigate that but it's really hard to do especially if you're a smaller company you don't have the the fiber security for it so i would suggest most small companies like

[00:31:20] outsource that to a mms or mssp a managed security service provider and they'll do it for you and then you transfer all of that risk to them and you just work yeah all right so what if there's

[00:31:41] if there's be any improvement in the industry or in the way that we protect ourselves or our companies protect us would you like to see done better anthony um first of all awareness and education

[00:31:56] for sure that's number one yeah that's number one yeah four laws stronger regulations if 2024 happens like i think is going to happen regulations are going to go down the drain so i think i think they

[00:32:13] should pay way more attention to making sure that these companies that have our data that we trust that they're careful with it not just fines i think they should have jail time if they're careless

[00:32:28] better security practice with app development because with the app development with especially web apps these attackers can get can use your web browser against you and once you sign in do you get that web app they have that and that's just back that's just carelessness on the

[00:32:50] coder there a lot of these coders are trying to get the work done and not really checking exactly that their code is perfect so leave sites susceptible to some of it getting on your

[00:33:06] computer from a website that you usually trust that goes with awareness too research and development rd for all this we're definitely catching up the hackers there's more of them than us yeah some of them are well funded anonymous they're activists north korea they're a state actor china

[00:33:30] russia hacking our election that's i think that would be important but then i know like the bigger companies have the beans to have a team but i think more small medium-sized companies need to do

[00:33:48] better because we trust them with our data too um that's about it no doubt no yeah very thoughtful yeah man this is great information if you'd be so kind to share that list with us we can yeah we

[00:34:02] could put it in the show no yeah and um and that'd be very helpful definitely but i heard that you shouldn't you know how the airport have the charging stations that you shouldn't use the usb

[00:34:16] no directly but using your brick to plug in is okay yeah is that right yes they could fill your data from your phone with those for sure that was on the test that took no doubt yeah yep well hard

[00:34:30] scissors was on the test make sure you got a jiggle that card reader give it a little bit make sure that do that all the time yeah make sure it's real i feel crazy sometimes what i'm like

[00:34:41] i think wow oh my gosh so you think so you're you're saying that we should use more cash and some transactions uh oh if when crap hits the payment man i think cash is gonna be king so

[00:34:58] you always have a little on you i feel okay especially if they are payment card systems aren't 100 secure so if someone gets in and brings it down what are we gonna do yeah you're right

[00:35:15] what happened to banks before or that kid people can't get their cash out yep so we did a true crime on that i think mm-hmm we're a group of credit unions got hit people can get their cash yep

[00:35:28] people cannot access their funds yeah what are you gonna do yeah can't do anything yep wow oh i think all that support yeah great stuff uh yeah i'll send you that list

[00:35:45] yeah that'd be dope yeah yeah i'll cool right a little bit more clear for you guys okay no you're good man this is great information check anthony out on linkedin i'm sorry i was

[00:35:55] those if you want to see what you know yeah but check them out and this is great advice man i think there's an opportunity for you to maybe even do your own type of stuff on security and

[00:36:09] protection that's going like that man in a couple years there's another security certificate i want to get but you need five years experience or you can take net test wow look at that

[00:36:19] yeah and then we get the google cert soon and then there's a iSoc test i found it's free if anybody's interested in that one i'll put that there too so you can post that yeah that'd be awesome

[00:36:34] yes well what were those two sites that you told us about also one one we could see all of the kind of hacking across the globe yeah and then there was another one that i actually used that day

[00:36:47] to see if you our person ever got hacked uh our information and that was that was i mean it seemed accurate because i've gotten like when i pulled up on mine i saw that i remember getting notices

[00:37:02] from all the agencies that got hacked that i was apart you know that you remember the name of that site but i think i gave you guys that site too rare last time yeah we'll have to pull it

[00:37:12] from that little show yeah that there's a lot of stuff out there that is really interesting with cyber security and our data and crime so you have to nap a bunch of shows on it yeah that's all we at

[00:37:28] one point we were like oh let's do a show and and then being kind of comp point of every show that like oh you know it comes up on a lot of shows so yep all right but let's do some fun here we got

[00:37:41] this or that for you that i'm awake for this yeah i like this yeah this is always fun you know what it is this or that both are either or neither or whatever what you want to start it off and i'll

[00:37:53] finish it we got six yep all right so number one thunder cats are transformers that's a tough one tough one i gotta go with thunder cats just because the thunder cats so big yeah i like that yeah

[00:38:12] all right so working solo or with the team i like solo baby i don't really want to talk to people at work at all loner loner i know the last one i have rock or pop music rock rock

[00:38:35] all right cake or pie pie oh i don't like to eat cake probably you call that pie i already do about this all the time so it's cheesecake a pie i think it is yep okay xbox or ps5 yes five

[00:38:57] all day oh ps5 i'm a rocket maciphe or norton what is it neither yeah both have neither yeah so what's that i'd pick i would have to do some research on that we whenever we see maciphe

[00:39:16] delete it off the computer no doubt yeah but maciphe wasn't g though yeah like murder some people i think oh damn oh yeah oh you live in a police oh yeah yeah jean through crying through crime maciphe cyber security man yeah

[00:39:40] that's crazy i don't know if you want to stay all with us for the safe talk question you got a few more minutes oh yeah i'll see him it won't take long okay so

[00:39:51] is ai going to hurt more than it helps when it comes to protecting our dignity i think it's gonna hurt first because we are ready for ai our laws or socially you see now that

[00:40:08] i can make a ai of you doing something on video and it looks just it can't tell we won't know what on the internet is real or not pretty soon if not already i think it's already there i tell my

[00:40:21] son already like it's all fake it's all it's all clickbait right yep and with ai can change your voice all they need is a little snippet of you saying hello or goodbye other than they can

[00:40:34] have you say anything yeah anything at all yep so i see my work just cloned one of one of our is a our business analyst he cloned our co-worker and he only had 15 seconds of his voice and he

[00:40:47] started just playing all kind of stuff he's who is this and i was like oh that's sebi and he's nope ai i was like yeah ai music too like the draycan weekend song that came out yeah that's crazy

[00:41:00] yeah and now spotify is apparently for real doing like knockoffs of famous artists doing like a whole playlist like they're coming out with music sounds like somebody else but it's not

[00:41:13] them yeah which i think could be cool if you have a favorite singer you want to hear them sing like another song that you like that'd be cool but i think that's why a lot of these artists

[00:41:24] are selling their uh back catalogs right now yep getting the most out of it now no doubt that i didn't even i didn't even put that together that's a great call out that's that's interesting yep the arts

[00:41:37] are going to suffer the arts are going to suffer a lot yeah so we should have ai doing important jobs for us but they're gonna be right movie music yep there's a video one that you can

[00:41:49] like just prompt it and it'll create a video scene yeah yep yep that's crazy you know what i mean yeah that's the thing is gonna hurt it's gonna hurt it's gonna hurt first maybe we'll realize how bad

[00:42:03] things are 20 30 years from now and fix it but i think that there's a late i think there's gonna be too much money being made and people and they're not gonna want to stop that for a little

[00:42:16] bit even though it's gonna hurt a lot of things but once they make that money and then i think they'll come with the legislation after all right yeah man this is everything that's yeah no it's an eye opener

[00:42:33] it's a sobering conversation because yeah these things are good and the like you said really that puts in perspective gonna hurt first and then get better later yeah so when we wake up or when the generation that's making our laws now are retired or gone and i think

[00:42:53] there'll be a younger generation that'll see and try to fix what's going on so yep thank you and another great episode thank you guys i really enjoy this likewise brother likewise man you

[00:43:08] gotta always invite for us anytime you want to come on dude just let me know come across cyber security issues they gonna bring you on yeah thank you all for a true crime yeah no doubt i

[00:43:20] would love that yeah no no got my degree criminal justice though i like to drive holy cow wow man of many have renaissance man no doubt love it thank you all for coming on the

[00:43:34] show yeah man we love you thank you so much love everybody have a good one have a good yeah man thank you bro we love it man thank you so much congrats again appreciate it yeah man yeah and and it's truly you should figure out at some point

[00:43:48] you could monetize that advice there's so many fix it actually like us especially like professionals right that that want to bring some savvy cyber i know colleagues that will just be like oh i

[00:44:01] would love to go take a course on this and take go listen to this guy talk for whatever i'm not professional yet at all so i just want to know what a nice road yeah there's people out

[00:44:12] there that know billion times more than be i'm do trying to figure it out myself but yeah i'm not you know what if you even have some recommendations on who those folks are let me know man let us

[00:44:24] know yeah we can we'll look into that as well yeah cool cool man thanks for letting me come on and stretch my weeks here about it though i really hate it heck yeah absolutely is your home

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