🚀 AI didn't add a new chapter to the software story — it restarted the book at page one. In this solo episode, Meg and Amy explain why that makes sensemaking the scarce skill right now, who earns the role that survives every era of disruption, and what it actually looks like to stop waiting and build.
🔑 IN THIS EPISODE:
- The agentic HR moment: NovaWorks and SOL just came out of stealth — two agentic HCM platforms, both founded by women Meg and Amy know and have worked with. Meg (a NovaWorks board member) and Amy (whose former Workday colleagues founded SOL) make the case for why this moment is architecturally necessary, not just exciting: current HR systems were built on the assumption that work structure is static. That assumption is now wrong, and no amount of configuration fixes it.
- Meg's EDS theory: how Ross Perot predicted today's AI moment, and why we're back where it all started
- The leadership gap: "ready-fire aim" rollouts, mass dysregulation, and why sensemaking is the missing piece
- The Golden Job: the translator who bridges what work used to look like and what's now possible — and why sensemaking is the missing ingredient
- Personal vs. enterprise token strategy: Amy's two-gear system (Pro vs. Max 5x, CoWork vs. Code, Ethan Mollick's "spikiness") + Meg's enterprise framework — 3 buckets, 80% margins going to 50-60% or upside down
- Leadership Corner: a PM who thought he needed a new job — turns out he needed to start building
⏰ TIMESTAMPS:
00:36 Welcome + agentic HR: NovaWorks and SOL out of stealth
04:17 Meg's EDS theory: AI restarted the software lifecycle
15:23 Sensemaking: the leadership gap hiding in plain sight
22:33 The Golden Job — the translator IS the sensemaker
26:40 Amy's personal token strategy
36:48 Meg's enterprise token strategy (embedded hot take)
47:04 Leadership Corner: "He thought he had a job problem"
58:35 Closing Thoughts
📚 LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE:
▸ Meg's newsletter Issue 21, "Coming of Age" — https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/meg-amy-show-newsletter-issue-21-the-meg-amy-show-dgghc/?trackingId=nPX2o4GahAvkl5vguIYJtg%3D%3D
▸ Amy's article: "A Love Letter to Product Managers: This Is Your Moment Don't Blow It" — https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/love-letter-product-managers-your-moment-dont-blow-amy-wilson-f2mqc/
▸ NovaWorks (Kelley Steven-Waiss, CEO) — https://novaworks.ai
▸ Sol (Erin Yang, CPO/COO + founding team) — https://www.meetsol.com/
▸ Ep 47 — David Blake (naps and nervous system regulation) — https://youtu.be/GGO-Ggr4yOQ
🔗 CONNECT WITH US:
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💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-meg-amy-show
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