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"People-first" is the most overused, underutilized phrase on LinkedIn. Everyone says it. Almost nobody does it.

This week, Des and Ashley sit down with Chason Forehand — chef with 45+ years in the culinary world, founder of HR-4U Inc. (a four-time Platinum Seal of Transparency nonprofit), creator of Transformation Kitchen™ (now operating in Nicaragua with locations coming to New York, Beacon, and Australia), and co-host of the Time2CHANGE podcast.

But before all of that, Chason was a kid in an abusive home. A drug addict hiding in plain sight. Homeless. Incarcerated. Food-insecure. Until a Michelin-track chef put three piles in front of him and decided to pay it forward.

This episode is what happens when someone who has lived on every side of "unhireable" sits down with two recruiters who believe they can change the wealth gap without a single piece of legislation. It's a conversation about action over words, profits versus people, and the responsibility that sits in every job description, salary band, and "culture fit" decision recruiters make.

This is one to listen to twice.

What You'll Learn

  • Why "people-first" is the most performative phrase in HR — and what it actually looks like in action

  • How 44% of U.S. workers below a living wage is a recruiter and HR problem (and how to start fixing it Monday morning)

  • The truth about the CEO-to-lowest-employee pay ratio and why HR holds the cap key

  • What other countries (Australia, Nicaragua) get right that the U.S. gets disgustingly wrong about workforce development

  • The story of the chef who saved Chason's life with three piles on a counter

  • Why resume gaps are skills — and why recruiters need to stop treating maternity, caregiving, and recovery as disqualifiers

  • How the Juneteenth General Order #3 quietly shaped the employer-employee dynamic we still live under today

Best Quotes

"The problem isn't the word. The problem is that it's overused and underutilized. People are talking, but there's no action behind their words." — Chason

"We could change the wealth gap in America without a single piece of legislation, and the only group in the United States that can do that is HR and recruiters. Period." — Ashley

"How much is enough? Because we have enough in the United States that there should not be a single person who goes without a home, a hot meal, a shower — all the things." — Chason

"If you are the human resource, that is basically a hat that says 'I'm always picking people, never picking profit.' That's my job." — Ashley

"I'm here today because someone else cared enough about me as a human being. And now I'm gonna pour into you. Action over words." — Chason (quoting the chef who saved his life)

"People-first is an action. It's not a value statement. Please remember that at all times." — Desiree

Talent Outside the Box

Ashley takes us back to June 19, 1865 — General Order Number Three, read in Galveston, Texas, twenty miles from where she sits today. The order that legally ended slavery in Texas also legally transitioned the master-slave dynamic into "employer and hired labor." She walks us through how that linguistic and structural shift still shapes how we think about employment in America today — and why every recruiter and HR pro should know this history.

Where to Find Chason

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