How to Build the Referral Relationships That Actually Send You Deals

Most payroll reps are chasing the wrong CPA partners. Here's the framework that fixes it.

In this episode, Matt Vaadi breaks down the 10V4 program — the exact partner strategy his team uses to generate 40 referral opportunities per rep from CPA channels alone. It starts with one simple reframe: stop hunting for the one big honey hole and start building 10 solid relationships with a system behind them. In this episode, Matt covers: → The 10V4 framework and why it replaced everything else → How to lead with value before you ever make an ask → The lunch-and-learn menu strategy that cracks open entire CPA firms → How to out-relationship ADP without their budget or their CPA-centric reps → The specific referral ask that most payroll reps completely botch → Why 6-8 touches is the real number before a CPA will ever send you business Whether you're building your first CPA partner list or trying to systematize an existing one, this episode gives you the full playbook. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 -- The 10V4 framework that changed everything 01:19 -- Why chasing the big CPA firm is the wrong move 02:10 -- How to compete against ADP without their budget 03:04 -- Leading with value: the lunch-and-learn menu strategy 05:20 -- Building rapport and going wide inside the firm 06:57 -- Outsourced Scale ad 08:33 -- How to make the ask (and why vague asks kill referrals) 10:02 -- How to systematize your 10 CPA partner relationships 📧 GET THE INSIDER NEWSLETTER Weekly strategies for scaling your payroll bureau (1,000+ leaders subscribed) → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/ 🎯 THIS WEEK'S RESOURCE: 💼 Scale Your Operations with a Virtual Assistant Hire an AI-trained EA for your payroll or HR firm at 70% less cost → https://www.outsourcedscale.com/ 💡 SCALE YOUR BUREAU WITH OUR HELP: 1️⃣ Add PEO Services - New revenue stream without new clients → Learn more: https://www.guhroo.co/partners/ 2️⃣ Hire Virtual Assistants - Scale operations at 70% less cost → https://www.outsourcedscale.com/ 3️⃣ Marketing That Works - Get the system we use → https://underdogdigital.co/ 🔔 SUBSCRIBE for weekly payroll growth strategies: → Hit the bell to never miss an episode 💬 CONNECT WITH MATT: LinkedIn: / mattvaadi Facebook Group: / payrollinnovation How do payroll bureaus get referrals from CPA firms? How to build a CPA partner strategy for payroll sales How to get CPA accountants to refer payroll clients How to compete with ADP as a small payroll bureau What is the 10V4 sales framework? How many CPA partners do I need to hit my sales quota? How do independent payroll companies build referral pipelines? How to stay top of mind with CPA referral partners How to ask for referrals from accountants How to grow a payroll business through partner channels