HR Data Labs Team - Perspectives on Pay

[00:00:05] Welcome to the HR Data Labs Podcast, now part of the Look Define Podcast Network. Join us as we score the vital role of compensation, strategy, data, and people analytics in navigating today's complex business world. With the resources you work to find for now bringing you deeper insights and actionable ideas to the top expert. Now, there is your host, David Turetsky. I am your host, David Trusky, and welcome to the HR Data Labs Podcast. We have a very, very special episode for you.

[00:00:34] You know, I always try and find the best and brightest and have them come on and talk about the world of HR. But this is my family. This is the HR Data Lab team. And there is Travis Abeliezer on sound. We've done podcasts like this before, and they're so much fun. I don't just have fun. The entire seat is just done. But today we're going to have the HR Data Lab podcast on the HR Data Labs team.

[00:01:01] And we're all going to talk about what we think of in the world of what's going on in the world of compensation impact. But before we get started, what we're going to do is we're going to go around the room so they can influence themselves. Angela, you're first. Hi. Tell people a little bit about yourself. Angela Bailey. And one fun thing. One fun thing. I have zero fun things. That's not good enough.

[00:01:29] Angela Bailey, principal consultant with HR Data Labs. One fun thing is I am a poet and published. And you know it. I'm a poet and I know it. The next person, Ellen Gonzalez. Hi, I'm Ellen Gonzalez. I'm a senior consultant.

[00:01:55] And one fun fact about me is that I'm a workaholic. Because you really are. Thank you, Ellen. Ebeges Prince. Hello, I'm Ebeges Prince. I'm a principal consultant at HR Data Labs. And the fun thing about me is I named my daughter after me. Not exactly after me, but she does share my hand. No. It's just really legit.

[00:02:25] Desiree Goldie. Desiree Goldie, the senior consultant here at HR Data Labs. One fun thing about me is I lived in Japan for a year and then that's that just insane. I'm a professional saxophone player.

[00:02:55] And I performed at Carnegie Hall. Wow. Very cool. We're going to go to your relative, Amy. We're going to go to your relative. Amy. If you see. If you see. Hi. Hi. I'm Amy Brandt. I'm a compensation analyst intern. And my fun fact is that I spent the last five months at a university in France. Oh. I don't know French, so. Unbia.

[00:03:25] Okay, whatever he said. Sushma, are you muted? Are you with us again? Nope. We'll come back to you. Let's introduce myself. My name is Miracle. I am the lead developer. And the sound fact about me is that I sing. Yeah. Maybe one day you can sing. All I need is a miracle.

[00:03:56] I think that's a must have. Yeah. That is going to be a must have. Yeah. Sushma, are you back? No. No. So Sushma, for Pappy is a brilliant workforce management consultant. One of the most brilliant I've ever met in my life. And at some point she will regale you with how brilliant she is. Hopefully she will figure out what's going to us with our microphone.

[00:04:29] But what we're going to do now is we're going to transition to our topic. And that topic is perspectives on pay in 2026. Right after that. Dropping is okay.

[00:05:05] So let's get into it. So this is going to be fun. We've got a lot of really cool things to talk about. So first, when we talk about pay, pay is very meaningful. Pay is very meaningful to a lot of people. For some of us, pay is an affirmation of our work. For some of us, pay is a way of being able to put food on the table. And for some of us, it's a means to an end.

[00:05:35] What I want to first understand from each of you is what does pay mean to you? Ibejas, I'm going to start with you. Pay, to me, is a physical manifestation sometimes of your efforts. Not always, though, as we can see in our society. But it's one form of your, I would say, the efforts of your, a physical manifestation of your efforts.

[00:06:03] For me, pay is a reward for bringing my talents and my time and my effort. All my personal whatever, you know, to the workplace. Also, it's a meaning of viability. You know, it's how I put a roof over my head, pay for my son to go to college. All those necessary things. Okay. That's right. Good one. Miracle, how about you?

[00:06:37] Miracle. We may have lost Miracle. Okay, next person on the list is Desiree. Yeah, I mean. Go down, Miss Rabbit. I was missing out for very long time. These five hives will say that pays for me personally and keeps away. I give you a show on the dude. I just did. Just a fight.

[00:07:06] It's giving me the means to all citizens right now, the entities I want to do. The last thing is about putting through the J-Ball. And it's worth out spewing my dreams. Just why I need to put up calling line to those things I do. Because I want to be with you this thing. I've really hard for me to do this. For my first whole life. So still, I was worth listening to the same. Because I just say, I wish I could not have to be dead.

[00:07:35] But the discipline is a great life and you want to do this. But it's not reality. I think there's a lot of us too. That's just not reality. Yeah. That's just yes. Sushima, how about you? No. Thank you. You. Are you going down to the mic and trying each different mic, Sushima? Yeah. Yeah, because there's a bunch of mics under there. And you're not in teams still, right?

[00:08:05] Because teams might. But it won't allow you to switch your mic. Oh, it did for me. It does for me. Yeah, I have. Now you're on mute. I'm better. I'm back now. No. Sushima, do me a favor. You can also try recording from your phone. If you can try going in on your phone.

[00:08:35] Yeah, try that. Ellen, how about you? Ellen's muted too. Thank you, Mark. How about now, Ellen? Okay, great. Sorry. Kay is where I started my career. And so for me, that is a foundation for me to build my career.

[00:09:04] I see pay right up there at the top of the list with breathing. And for me, I want to work. But my, I guess my goal is to continue working so I can help put my incredibly intelligent grandson through four years of college. Okay. So you have a, you have a very important mean to end. Mark, how about you?

[00:09:34] Well, I know money matters in everything that we all do. But I'm motivated by meaningful work, being creative, and to make an impact. I've always looked at that as really important to me. And pay as a measure of value to also. So, that's really my perspective. If I, if I'm not happy and I'm not being who I am and true to myself, it doesn't matter. I can't do it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:10:03] Somebody once said to me, hey, I'll offer you this job and I'll pay you whatever you want. I'm like, no, no, thanks. I'm not, I'm not interested. Like, why? And I said, because I, I don't think I can really be myself in that role. I had a job where I was like, I hit it. I hit the pinnacle. I'm working in TV. I love, this is amazing. But I, it just, it was killing me. I hated it. I just, I couldn't be myself. Amy, how about you?

[00:10:32] Um, the younger person new to the workforce. Pay for me is something. I mean, it's a new thing for me. Yeah. But in my mind, it's something that's earned that you exchange for other things, other pleasures in life, something you want. I'm at the point in my life where I don't have large expenses. So for me, pay is something that allows me to do fun things that I like. There you go.

[00:11:01] Stay there. Stay there. Yes, exactly. Yes. Don't ever leave. Growing up is, it's, it's not all it's cracked up to be. Growing up sucks, as they say. Sushma, I heard you. Yeah, all right. So. Oh yeah. Finally. Yeah. We got her. But Sushma, what's your perspective on what is pay for you? Well, to me, you know, pay is big and deep. Right.

[00:11:30] And it's a trust contract, you know, because we all talked about it, right? So everybody pretty much reflected on pay. I fully agree with all of you. But then like, just to kind of sum it up, I would say, you know, it reflects to leadership. It reflects maturity, the culture of the organization or whomever you're working with. And then fairness and you know, whether you're a gig worker, or you're, you know, working for the show schedules Monday through Friday or even an executive.

[00:12:00] He was safe to absolutely buy it. He was very important. Yes. I totally agree with you, sister. I'll give you my perspective on tax. Like I said, with studying Mark, with Saptain, you know, the thing to me is that. Pay is a question on how the organization values me, but it also is how you value yourself. And, you know, as Mark said, too, I agree with him wholeheartedly.

[00:12:31] I want to do good work for the world. I want to lead the world to better place. And therefore it doesn't matter if to me, it actually even doesn't matter about pay. And there have been times where I've taken very low salaries in order to be able to do better things. And that was okay. And it's not okay as far as affording things, but it's okay as far as affording the mentality that I want.

[00:12:56] So I think also what you could see if you listen to each person, we each have something in our minds and as well in our environments that forces us to need something out of pay. And so my next question for all of you is, you've answered the question about what pay means to you. But what is it that you require from pay? What do you need from pay?

[00:13:25] It could be respect. It could be, you know, somebody said, you know, a way to pay my grandson's tuition. What do you need from pay? So I'm going to start with eBay. I just did. We started off. The business doesn't work for you. All right. Yeah, come in. I'm going to start with Amy this time. What do you need from pay?

[00:13:55] I think. Probably consistency is something I would want from pay. So I could feel like I'm not just relying on one 10 stay and play a consistent pay. What did he get from? Yeah. Des, how about you? You know, I think about this. But I need a lot of things.

[00:14:24] I need a recession workplace. I need an environment that is not constant. I need. Fine. The ceiling work. And that I like to hit all my buddies. And I also need it not to be boring. God, I was in a job. So I mean, I need to be a lot of things that I last and I could have shot myself in the head. Like I see. Three stones. I just, I can't be for it.

[00:14:51] I like to challenge the challenge of some things or me. It's a really safe deal. And I also need to pay to be like commiserate with whatever in the table. Right? You know, the recruiters right now are getting chased way lower than they were us. Like, they go three years ago. And I see these like coasts go off and they're like, shooting ridiculous. Like it's a son of McDonald's and. Right? And so. I think.

[00:15:22] Like the. Quality of like hearing through that pay. It's just super important to me. And. I have to evaluate that as I think about house projects come into the things like that. Because at some point it's just not worth it. Oh, I'm like no, we're stand. No, try. No, I'll be done. It brings. Right? Still. Yeah. It's a hard one, but it's a, there's so easy. But Ellie, but you.

[00:15:57] I don't. Go ahead. For me, it's, it's also respect. And what's very important to me in the workforce, this quote. But just, you know, on a very basic level, you know, the ability. The ability to. Like, rent a craving. Where I need it. And. Enjoy what I did. That's it. Layla.

[00:16:32] Layla, you there? Sorry, I think yeah, I'll play here. What does queen mean to you? What does what? Kay. Kay mean. She even though. Thing comes on stage as. And. Not the definition. Not the definition. What does it personally mean to you?

[00:17:04] This is saying. Larry. Okay, we'll turn back to Layla. Marks. What does came mean to you? I want to know that I'm being valued fairly. But I'm also looking for that meaningful word. Does that mean sound?

[00:17:32] I, I, I am looking for something that's going to stimulate me. And utilize all these tools in my career. That I've had the chance to. He, I. Yeah. And what does it mean? Perfect. Where else? It's loaded. So do you think that was loaded for me? If I suggest to try to sum it up. Or. What's required to say is for it to be fair. For it to be transparent.

[00:18:02] For it to be systemized. Foundational. Have a framework. That's what I refer to say. What does it mean to me personally? In our current world. World at worst. Pay is elusive. It's what it means to me right now. It's not what it means. It's not what it used to mean anymore. Yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of people are dealing with that too. Sishma. Well, I think there's a lot said.

[00:18:31] And I definitely agree with all of you. The one thing I'll say from my perspective. It's a trust contract. So, you know, I think. That's where that transparency. You know, we've talked about that. And especially if there are broken processes. I think those all get exposed very quickly. Especially as people go into showing more and more transparency. And I'm sure we'll get to that. But I think it's more about trust contract. And you know, the reward for what you do.

[00:19:01] And the renumeration associated with what you do. And recognition. Absolutely. Lele? Okay, first. What he means to me is. Consensation, basically. And hearing, appreciating his own values. At. What could be. That's what he means to me. At for.

[00:19:29] I want to touch on one of those things that a few of you had mentioned. Um, especially I think it was how one's mentioned this fatigue growth. When we've been talking about the world of pay, grief to faith, and eBay just mentioned this as well. Just then with a few of you, I'm seeing transparency. The world of pay transparency has opened up career growth as a methodology of, of patent-fitting fairly.

[00:19:53] Meaning that people now can understand where they grow and how they grow and have those meaningful come proficiency for a manager. And you don't need to get too personal. But if you could give me an example of what's that's worth means to you and how do you plan on growing in your career? Now there's some obvious answers here, especially with holding it to the world, please don't.

[00:20:21] But if you could just give me a couple of examples of what's worth means to you in your career and how are you using it soon? Lele, I'm just fair with you. The cup question. Okay. What worth means to me is basically as in working with the advocacy that you stand here.

[00:20:42] So the work that drew me to me is getting energy and helping my varsity experience light no works and taking a lot on their shelves. And just, just being able to really help them get the best from the data and interview. That's what drew me to me. And coming from, I think this is not part of the question though. What I'm just going to shoot you at the end.

[00:21:11] Coming from Nigeria and working in the global state, it's just like waiting in place. So everybody expects you to just take off whatever your being fears and you shouldn't do anything to have an opinion about. So you're coming from a solid work fund. So let me grow to be knowing my varsity and my works and what I see here. After you just a wonderful great start.

[00:21:41] I'm going to go to Sushwineft. All right. So from a growth career build standpoint, you know, I feel like I've had a rich career for 25 years and didn't tap on anything. So I'm going to go to Sushwineft. So, or here from my standpoint, growth is learning more about AI and how does AI augment all the velocities. Right. How does this health outline, the ethical AI, the explainability, LLMs, like all of that.

[00:22:11] You know, a lot of these things was doing a lot of good. And we've had those products in the past, different organizations that was with. And we've done some of that, including the products that actually eliminate 70% of the work. And so my goal is to continue down that stat, listen and learn from my clients, understand what they're facing.

[00:22:31] And help them out by simply applying their process and moving, whether it be AI or automation or student process improvement to get them through a better day. Very, very important. He made this. All of my career, I mean, it would actually be stepping out of full-term narrative and getting back into the community. Everything that I've learned over these years, all these things that I've accumulated across different industries.

[00:23:00] I just find that I think the world is changing to where work is such an extraction. It takes so much out of feasible. In so close, growth in my career is actually chasing all of this stuff and is showing, making a way for feasible to get the energy put back into them. So they can do the best that they are. Very selfless. Now, how about you? What's the growth in my career?

[00:23:28] What I've gone through in the last year or so. It's always, it's, it's, I've had to reassess myself and look at things differently and evolve. I didn't know I needed to gain more tools in my toolbox, but being up relevant, learning new approaches and finding ways to create a greater impact. That's what I've been doing in the last few months.

[00:23:57] And I'm looking for an opportunity to solve bigger problems and, and then lead more meaningful work. But that's the growth is going to happen with all of that. The growth is going to happen. If I continue to evolve and work more, I'm just going to be, I'm going to be impacted. That's for it. Ansel. So I'm going to sound like I'm impeding what, that's what Mark has said.

[00:24:22] Cause I was just asked this question a few months ago in a job interview, what does growth look like? And for me, it is impact. It's great impact. I feel like I'm always investing in my full box, if you will. That's how I'm going to do. I've been teaching an AI class on the side that then, you know, really investing in my own learnings. I've always been wired that way, but it's escalate. Right.

[00:24:48] And as you get to feel that pinnacle of your careers, you're expected to be the expert, such in the consulting space. I still am forced that you can sing your damn best to Max. And the end result for me is so that I have insight. And so that I have to start her out as we look at, throwing her bits. Okay. Those are especially good. Yeah, growth is so amazing. I know.

[00:25:17] Growth is not only learning new things. It's a point in the term. The podcast for me, you probably not. But I'm a Swiss one now. I had to have a real talk with myself about what I really want and what I want to do. That's my list. Honestly, that growth for me is working. The more two be this, working out of corporate.

[00:25:44] But mine is more selfish in that I really just want to grow myself and be my own thing and work with who I want to work once and choose not to work. They see like all warm, warm, warm, and really it's for me that see, by these, as we all know, I like, and that is, that's where I'm growing too. And culturally that happens. But in the meantime, AI, what do you see soft, prompt you say?

[00:26:12] All of these things that I feel like, to add to that, to last, if we're an empathic, this is really funny. Dull, didn't you think? Dull, didn't you think? Dull, how about you? Dull, it's very curious. For me growth is finding saddest acts and figuring out what I like right now, as I am starting to like pickets of Rexton for my life. I want to know what I like before I just fully commit to something.

[00:26:41] things so I think exploring all my options that's gross for anything one of the most the chart things ever for anybody's face so hot and that's really cool that's great Ellen how about you well the votes for me is all about the opportunity that I have every day now when I get

[00:27:05] that so 25 to 30 years as a ACM payroll you know it's now like you know end-to-end you know senior you know executives you know that's the way you should see when I looked in the mirror well nowadays um when I look in the mirror it's like I'm going to become see why are the

[00:27:29] students compensating and I'm going to learn every little bit said again all you've laid so there's I think become a real contributing member that are on the compensation side of the distance and you look at the elements I front and up well and this let me just touch on this

[00:27:52] for me this has been a very very challenging year huh one of the things that I tried to do is step outside a comfort zone yet again to get creative Disney get a gas pick Delta again to be able to grow something that healing for Dr. Pee to smudge Hamlet to fold the view and one of the things that it

[00:28:18] has to end up in events thing with interesting youthful a product said uh from Colton offering is Anthony the peaceful that our clients appreciate and miss our people with this and so growth to me is being able to step outside myself again to eat a lot of passers she eat a lot of rosin and to be able to

[00:28:45] survive an environment where you can all be successful we can all dream for him through and be able to take on something new and learn something new and grow in ways in which he he hasn't been able to explore one of the next topics all the time about is this awful economy that we're in as not a political

[00:29:08] state and funny I think all of us on your call on the hot stats have all been impacted in lots of ways by the economy then I want to talk a little bit about how the economy is affected how you feel about pay because it's different than how do you internalize pay now it's very different because there was a time when you thought to stop pay differently so the question is how does the

[00:29:37] change in the economy affect how you feel about pay so Ellen what is at world wealth hey hey given the economy have wicked jewelry well I would say that pay work is fragile you don't know whether

[00:30:03] it's unless you don't matter how big keeping up you know how hard you work can get there I I tend to to be a lot of people who have to do it I think that the world is very scratchy and she was personally you know I'm gonna work very hard to try to do it for the steps to grow what I can use what I can

[00:30:30] donate to society what I can donate to my family it's not going to be on the same level as when I was an executive and yeah I've made boatloads of money and he had stock options and and all of that so the world has compressed and one way that I deal with it is that I I watch 15 minutes of news a day and I try

[00:30:57] just to shut shut it out because it's just chaos it is it is I can't even watch 15 minutes because it drives me freaking crazy Desiree how about you yeah I mean I'm trying to stay not political so I'm good at it hey you don't have to say it's just not political I do what you don't have to

[00:31:28] it's really hard for me you know I think what has turned on for me in this economy is like an extreme amount of empathy for the world around me the ones suffering who have been on the job bar for two years the one people who come to me and they're like Desiree I don't know what I'm doing wrong I

[00:31:50] can't get a job I'm almost homeless like all of these things that I get faced with every day it tears me up inside because of the person that I am and so you know the connection between those things and my daily work for me is every day right and so I I get so stressed out by it and it's not me

[00:32:18] personally right I have many things going on but to those people that don't I feel the suffering that's happening especially with some trees and I I want someone to sit to like right now so to be able to sustain real lives and be able to see their families and be able to do all these things it affects me it's tremendous and I hope that we come out on the other side too

[00:32:47] so I don't see that happening and so yeah we need to figure out other way right people to confuse these part of the time and else people I get them by the answer to not a state so as much as I work I spend as much time trying to help do this they pay there's there's nothing else for me to do and the person who sold me then he says she can't see the two favor there to just

[00:33:14] everything I mean to all the instruments I believe in living ways I believe in on it and put it on a board of an organization they say the top should not bet all the time me have to do better and sometimes that means stepping away from being selfish like I normally am and saying then how can I help you right right it's tough it's tough world right now

[00:33:39] Amy how about you yeah in a similar sentiment like I see so much inflation going on and in Iowa I know the minimum wage is seven dollars and 25 cents and has been there for a long time and to me that's very disheartening to see this widening gap like livable wages being so much harder

[00:34:06] especially in states that are like adhering to the federal minimum wage it's it's really sad to see and I know some friends who have turned down like gigs and stuff because just driving there would make it like not worth it to even go yeah like oh yeah they'll spend more on gas than they will actually

[00:34:26] getting paid it's just terrible all right Lele how about you let's go to Sushma how about you Sushma well I think it is uh interesting times for sure you know this is where what we are seeing is

[00:34:49] again a variety of things are being blamed right so and especially AI I think that's like the new you know issue that people are sort of you know unhappy about and so as I think about it it's really this is very interesting what we are seeing right now we're seeing strategy emotion and math collide

[00:35:11] and you know so as we see this collision this is where you know a lot of things which how organizations incorporate AI and use AI for all the nation or they think how they can use AI whether you know they accomplish that goal for not a lot of them layoffs are generally speaking happening because of that well see that's the perception out there whether it's true or not

[00:35:39] yeah so I think you know that's going to be very interesting and you know the whole thing is we will have to come out on the other side this still obviously this cannot continue but again but this is where it takes all of us to think things through now as we go to the processes and as the organizations go to the project and they pull to the testing say them say you know this was my hypothesis can I do it can I not and so depending on that we don't they'll have to tweak

[00:36:05] what they're doing and they might be a surging so people going back to work in their original roles hard apply but doing what they had before versus they doing outside to work with AI how to do more production why that should be based the double right the play stays however they you know just can't just stun people off and turn on AI right that thing passes check right and sometimes we are seeing some of that happen again that's not that thing I think that's where all of us takes us to figure that out

[00:36:35] together and I think that's what we'll be doing with our within our scenes within the consulting community with on for self model and this you know how far it's where signal is that out of mind sure sir benzel have a gift the pay you know for everyone's personal it's very personal and I don't know that I think I got skipped where I come out when we need from pay I remember thinking

[00:36:58] Lori pay gives me control right I can my education my experience my hard work my contributions my talents somewhat gave me some control over the amount of money I was gonna make and that gave me control over the decision that I was gonna make based on that income and of resource when you lose that control there are lots of things that happen and Mark you're not talking about this you know one-on-one

[00:37:27] what it does you know your confidence and your ego and your self-esteem and for everyone it's so personal so Cesare when you were talking Matt could feel all those emotions too I've coached a lot of job seekers and it's just not we're not in a sustainable situation right now at least for the United States I don't want to speak for the league I'm not as informed and that's me but

[00:37:51] you know seriously you touched on this as well we are not in a sustainable pattern we've got this history as companies having merit increased budgets the dreams were sad and inflation size so everyone's getting essentially a paytet every year that is it was you still employed the real paytet yeah yeah a real paytet

[00:38:12] so you know I've I'm not a total pessimist because as Susha said we will come out on the other side but it's painful it's really painful right now and I think it's really important that companies acknowledge where we are and what your employees are feeling and you know really invest in good communication

[00:38:38] good pay transparency you know all those foundational elements that at least give some sense of if not control predictability for for your workforce on their pay good point good point eBay just bring us home yeah so you know given the economy what I feel about pay that was the question right

[00:39:02] I feel like I kind of mentioned this earlier that pay is elusive and I feel like the individual individual rugged the rugged individualism that's seen the American brain that illusion is and shatter as people can see you can't really do this on your own we all need safe really it allowed us to

[00:39:27] things that we had a lot more control and say so in our lives until the doubt market who never left withdrew it's contributions in the market with phrase being now everybody needs somebody it's really shattered a lot of just uh actually like that reality that's you've risen that and that's not true everybody needs somebody that's why I said that I want to do more to you work because I've been seeing this for years Dean and Talent Management it's this thing going on before so did I was either first

[00:39:56] male of a horse or lead and trying to get people through this stuff and so now that we're here like 10 years later and it's worse it's affecting more people than before right I think that's the thing it's a lot more people that are being reached by this and just for and I think really just us coming together I know that we're used to going to our jobs and our words and we're saying hey before I do this for our sources the community and listen at your neighbor but I think that's where we're

[00:40:25] at right now if you don't start looking out for each other and finding ways to help each other out inside of you I love it but think our dollars are becoming more and more working so now acts of service they're probably carrying more weight than just greater money off so things like that those are the things that I've been seeing and those are the things that I've been looks out about through our growth finding ways to translate that stuff and make it impactful for our new economy our new market

[00:40:53] to save on letting be they do Lele do you have a perspective on how the economy of the practice is here yes yes I'm going to be following what Amy turned I think yeah what Amy and Deth do we talk about when it comes to inflation he's very crazy wearing it and it's very pressing out some of it turns

[00:41:18] up the minimum wage a 10 to 20 of what people have been up to get to get serious to get to get home yeah so when it comes to and and when you see people going through so much things just feel they are leaning on the value then on the fee knowing that the ninja dancer for me it's very setting out I fit it around me of all those where where I need and all of that go

[00:41:46] care is very essential and it's it's I think it's one of the driving parts of an economy because if you fall on the pace they're gonna stay low and they can't they can't feel better it is a last might take on food and everybody's the depth you see right and that's really so better right and not and not and leave and swimming and being paid where you can't even take care of your busy food so

[00:42:14] yeah and and I guess it comes fast to Leila from saying that she talks about before and with your basic respect yeah the relationship between the employer and the employee has faced that challenges throughout the years but one of them that we talked about a lot because we talked about equity and fairness and then we talked about this conversation that's Tara is that there has to be a respect to me for the 10

[00:42:42] years and as Jesus that started to that's that's the burden and I think Desiree said it too you know there's been a lot of a lot of very sad things that have been happening especially since the pandemic where employers are trying to reassert their control over employees and one of the ways they've been doing that is doing Leila's very hyperforce but also the district's fact just suits

[00:43:10] the staff as and that's not keeping up with employees even though it's meant to for the itself so I think this has been a really interesting and enlightening conversation and I associate all of your support and all of your soft on this hopefully you took the waste on saying well I I really wanted to put my

[00:43:37] perspective in because it's really impacted me and and where I stand and what how I've evolved in the last year I mean I lost my job left Marsden was without a date Jeff for almost a year and I sat back and says you know where where do I sit in anymore you know have I a doubt have I have I not collected the tools when I was starting my career you know I had mentors tell me hey get as many tools as you can

[00:44:04] that drove us learn as many things as you can and and it's gonna help you with your growth and as I started looking at myself and and self-analyzing where I was you know I started my my own podcast and talked to other people that were going through this same journey and I didn't feel alone going through that journey I felt like you know something maybe I do have a better purpose maybe talking to

[00:44:31] other people and letting them tell their story about how they've been affected by he is counting I'm here living in Detroit area I mean everything here is tied to the automotive industry okay and and with the way it has gone in the past year after the pandemic it it has not gotten out of that rut do I see it getting out of that rut hopefully soon but we're in a big rut here and I'm in that and I've

[00:44:56] been in that rut but I feel that's just giving people their voice and letting people tell their story and their journey it's made me feel better about myself and where I'm going in my place the economy has has just really destroyed a lot of lives and I hear that every day through my thoughts yet every day

[00:45:20] how it's just it's it's been horrible and we need we really need to come together and we need to we need to do some sort of not not fix it with patches and band-aid but we need to come up with a plan well the no protective power of sack the plan sorry sorry and I apologize I'm at least politicized but

[00:45:45] we live in America come on it's this is not everybody but I've been working in America it's if that's all this days you saw it is that's all this is just because you live now that's what it is okay well I appreciate all your perspectives and I gotta say it's so much fun to work with you all you all should be something you every day yes yes yes so at least I was on the fun thing about CSP

[00:46:14] I wasn't oh yeah yeah Lillie give your you feel one fun thing that no one knows about you yes I've been waiting for this okay so I have a new train I have a new train of new year's babies my name is new year babies that's my year my days yes because I was born on the new year day okay no every single day when we celebrate the new year day is the death of this everything in my

[00:46:41] birthday there we go so I'm December 28th so you and I are right there yeah January 1 January 1 wow you are definitely the new year baby yes it's that is so cool and we can never forget that now we'll always from this to your first day as ever be dear yeah we'll always raise the glass to Lele on new year's day that is very cool

[00:47:11] well I don't want to miss anybody else does anybody else have anything they wanted to add that one thing I want to add I know sometimes I come off to women being but I know I'm listening isn't that I don't want to find the problem and so just one thing that I think about what we can do today science and culture American in the sense of the right to teach a lot of few specialists to clear off even there are a lot of small businesses with a lot of hard seniors majority of our country is state-sized corporations people have jobs

[00:47:41] then so one of the things that I've been doing my entire career is so think corporations understand that they should be tied to the city this is that I think that's kind of the biggest thing thing that they have been tied to this objective it's had a lot of fraud and state-shoes and exiting and that stuff is haunted so moving then comes up probably can't the things up anymore but if the times that I've worked with digits and just getting back to what is your function what is it that you crave to the market

[00:48:10] who needs to be in this division sign the talent pay the talent you'll be success that that's that getting back to this debate getting back to what are we really doing here I think that's probably the one thing I'm excited about because this broke through for so many people those that are willing to listen and willing to assist this that's a sure way that'll create pay transfer so it'll make sure that stays there it'll make sure that all these things that

[00:48:35] society is saying they're demanding now it wasn't demanded what problems demanded but it's it's a lot louder than it was before and now that it's a lot louder I'm really hoping and I'm starting to see businesses say hey we just we need the numbers to make sense we can help you with that so it's a good one we can help you make the numbers yeah well we HR data labs can certainly yes HR data labs consultant we can help you with that that's that's want to be sure we'll get you back to

[00:49:01] selling on this podcast but thank you yeah anybody else have anything before we close well thank you all very much for your perspectives I really appreciate them you are all awesome and I love that you're a part of the family thank you very much take care and stay safe you too thank you