A Personal Chat with Jules & Trish

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_01] Welcome back to Wine with HR. If you are listening today, go ahead and grab your favorite glass of wine, your cup of tea, or whatever is getting you through today. Because today we are whining about something very close to home. But before we get into that, let's talk more about what we're drinking. So Trish, what's in your glass today? I'll give you one guess. Well, it's either going to be wine or vodka.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00] It's actually rum.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01] Ah! See, I would not have guessed that.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00] Well, originally I had planned on having my Josh Pinot Noir because your lovely sister brought it to me and I tried to save it for the episode, but that didn't happen. So in a frantic look around the house, I found that we had some dark rum. And so that is what I have going on today.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01] Did you make it into a cocktail or are you just drinking it straight?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00] Oh no, I did make it into a cocktail. There's a little bit of peach in there, a little bit of orange. Needing a little sunshine in my life right now. So I'm pretending I'm like down on a beach, underneath the sun, some nice music going. What about you?

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01] Well, today I am drinking a rosé. I'm still in my rosé era. I don't know. It's just been tasting really good this summer. So, although I am wearing, I know we're not on video, but I'm channeling fall in my clothing because I love fall and I can't wait. I am still channeling summer in my wine. So if the weather gets wonky, it's probably my fault. I'm completely sending mixed signals.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01] But anyway, I am drinking a rosé from France. It's called Miraval and it is from the Côtes de Provence. And I love the French and Italian wines that have literally no description. They're just like, it is wine. Drink it and enjoy, you know.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01] So, this one is very light, like almost, it's almost transparent. It's just like got this very, very light blush color. So that is interesting. It is very dry, which of course we know I like. And I would say it's got just a hint of strawberry and melon and maybe even, this is so crazy, but a little bit of lemon. Really?

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_01] Really? Yeah, on the finish. Anyway, so far it's lovely. So there you go.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_00] I have to say when you showed us the bottle before we started recording, I read it as my rival. Well. Because you know how in Michigan everything is MI and then even like McDonald's, it's like my McDonald's. So I read it as, yeah. Yep.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01] Well, it is my rival to Sauvignon Blanc, which is my other summer wine. So there you go. There you go.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00] So as usual, we're going to keep it real and we've been keeping it real all year. We try to do our best during episodes to hold space for you. We unpack how chaotic HR can be, a lot of impossible or seemingly impossible demands that are placed on you, our listeners, and the emotional weight that we have to carry every single day.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00] So today we wanted to talk about the emotional weight that we have been carrying, meaning Julie and I, and how that's impacting us personally.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01] Yes. So this is the W-H-I-N-E of the episode because it does make us sad, but we're going to rip the bandaid off so you're not wondering what the heck we're talking about all episode. We are going to be taking a temporary hiatus at the end of September. So if you are listening to this episode, it is going to be the last episode of season four.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01] And we will get into all of the reasons for that in just a minute. But again, we didn't want to like have that where we're just, well, you got to keep listening. You got to keep listening to know what's going on. So anyway, yeah. So we're going to be going on a temporary hiatus.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00] Saying that out loud, it feels kind of harder than like saying it to each other is one thing, but saying it to our listeners, that's, that's heavy. Yeah, it is. It is. So for everyone out there, when we first started realizing we needed a break, the immediate feeling was not relief. Actually, it was guilt, like total guilt.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00] We thought about you, our loyal listeners. And we know that y'all to tune into us during your commutes or maybe on lunch breaks, or maybe just while you're decompressing after, let's be honest, a brutal day. And so we started worrying about letting you all down.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. And then, you know, the irony of it hit us in the face. Like here we are to HR veterans who are constantly preaching to you about setting boundaries, managing your energy, avoiding burnout and struggling with the exact same people pleasing trap that we have fallen into ourselves.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01] So to cut it down, reducing this show is a labor of love, but it is still a lot of labor. And the, the part that's hard is it is constant because it's weekly. So it's like this never ending cycle that you can't really, we can't get out of.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01] And we recognize that the grind of it was starting to encroach on our creative energy that we needed to keep giving you good content, as well as just the energy that Trisha and I need to get through this stage of our lives. And you guys know what some of this stage of our lives has been like.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01] And again, we'll, we'll talk more about that in just a minute, but we realized that in order for us to be able to keep doing Wine with HR, we needed to take a step back now so that we could recharge and look at ways that we could redesign Wine with HR. So it is in a more sustainable format that we can keep going with for a longer period of time.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00] So in typical fashion, we can't do anything like normal people would. We weren't going to, right? We're not just making an announcement. We wanted to actually use this to talk with you about something that every single HR professional struggles with. And that is the difference between quitting and setting an intentional boundary.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_00] As HR professionals, you all know this, we are conditioned to be the shock absorbers of the organization. We absorb everything. The happiness, yes, of course, but also the grief, the frustration, the conflict and impossible timelines. And because we care so much about people, we often conflate our personal worth with our ability to endure discomfort for others.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00] That guilt complex really just happens to step up huge here.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01] To be transparent, some of the things that are going on, I'm going to talk about what's going on with me. Trish will share what she's comfortable sharing with you. So for me, it's both good and bad things. Some of you may know that in June, actually on what would have been my mother's 89th birthday, June 5th of this year, I announced that I was starting my own law firm, Sumner Law LLC. And that there's a multitude of reasons I'm doing that.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01] And it's very exciting, but obviously it's very time consuming. So that is taking up a lot of my focus right now. And then on the not so exciting front, I'm having some health challenges that I need to make sure that I am addressing before they get so bad that I end up needing another surgery or, you know, that we can't reverse whatever is happening.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01] And I'm not great at slowing down and paying attention to the signs that my body is sending me. So I'm trying to be better about that. And that is a boundary I'm trying to set for myself. So as I just mentioned, like part of what is so challenging with the podcast is that we record pretty much every week. Sometimes if we skip a week, we have to record double the next week.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01] And so and then Brynna has to edit all of those episodes. And so it just becomes this very tight, repetitive deadline that we're always up against. And even though Trisha and I have kind of been racking our brains about how we could make this and turn this into something more sustainable for us, we don't even have the time to think about it because we're always working on the next episode. So that's part of what brought us to this point.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01] And also just all the other things that are going on externally from the podcast in our own lives. So Trish, I don't know what you are comfortable sharing, but I want to open the floor to you to share with our listeners whatever you would like them to know.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_00] I think it's more of a flashback than a current. I know that Julie was one of my biggest fans when I walked away from the corporate world. And I came home or no, my husband came home one day and I was working from home and I was screaming and yelling and I don't scream or yell. And I was swearing. He said, I put together a sling of words he didn't even knew I knew. But you learned them all from me. Probably. Let's be honest.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_00] And at that moment, he's like, quit your job. And Julie had already said, I think you'd be great as a trainer. And I was like, huh, this is interesting. And I stopped and took a good look at myself and realized that I used to love my job. I was so happy. I thought it was the greatest job ever. I was so excited to sit down at my computer every single day.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00] And then somewhere along the line, it absolutely turned to be the hellish landscape that I found myself in that particular day. And I swore to myself then that I would never go without, you know, at least a month without checking in on myself, seeing how I was doing, if I was happy. Well, I think I forgot to do that again.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00] And a couple of months ago, I found myself kind of dreading some of the things that I used to love to do as far as work. Not that I don't love my training. Not that I don't love wine with HR. But something has shifted in my life and there isn't space for everything.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00] So I'm just trying to figure out how to create that space, how to create a safe space for myself, how to create a safe space for my family and the things that I need to do for them. And then figure out what the heck everything looks like. Wine with HR, my training, how I'm going to step out. Am I going to stay? What am I going to do?

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00] So while mine is different than Julie's, it is something that doesn't allow for the creative juices. And I haven't felt like I have been the kind of co-host that I would like to be. So that's where I am.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. And I think one of the things you said that really resonated with me is just that there isn't enough space for everything right now. Because like you said, our reasons may be different, although there's a lot of overlap there. But our, the underlying reason, which is that this lack of space or feeling that there's this lack of space and time for everything and for all of our energy.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01] Or I should say what limited energy we might have right now because of all the things that are, all the demands that are on our plate is kind of what is driving this. And as Tricia just said a minute ago, we didn't just want to come on today and make an announcement. We wanted to use our experience to hopefully help those of you who may be going through something similar.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01] As we've talked about before, I know I have had many a conversation with people in the HR field who are in a similar stage of life where they have aging parents or have just lost a parent, where they have family demands, where they've just got a lot going on. And so we wanted to talk about because as HR professionals, we tend to be people pleasers and we tend to have a lot of guilt and we tend to take too much on ourselves.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01] How can we help you figure out when enough is enough and when you might need to step away from something, even if you don't want to, even if you feel an obligation not to, even if you feel like you're going to be disappointing everyone or letting people down or whatever the reason might be. We wanted to help you figure out when you feel like you're going to be.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01] We wanted to help you figure that out and share how we kind of came to this decision to put Wine with HR on hiatus for a little while. So Tricia, what is the first question you would recommend asking?

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00] I think it's probably the one that got us finally talking about where each of us were, which is, am I continuing this out of genuine purpose or out of fear of dissonance? Disappointing someone. So if you're really just doing it out of guilt and there's nothing else left in your tank, then guess what? You are already running on fumes and didn't even realize it.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00] And I think that that was one of the things that really caught me by surprise when Julie and I started talking about this. I had no idea that she was feeling the same way. And that's ridiculous because we're best friends. I should have. But I think it was what did I what did I call you and say, OK, what's going on? We need to talk.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_01] Well, yeah. And I had been avoiding it for the same reason because I didn't want to let you down, you know, first and foremost. And I was like, what if she's not feeling the same way I am? But I started to sort of sense that you might be feeling the same sort of pressure. Again, when we're talking about like feeling like we don't have energy or space for this, we're not saying we never will.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01] And we're not saying we don't love everything that Wine with HR has become because we do.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00] But that's what makes us so incredibly hard. Why? Tears in my eyes right now.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01] Yes, yes, yes, exactly. But I think that there was like I could almost hear Trisha's sigh of relief when I said we need to talk about the podcast. You know, like and I and then as soon as like it was in the open, it was like, OK, now let's now let's have a conversation and let's talk about what makes the most sense right now.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01] So I think that was really important. So Trisha, anything else you wanted to add?

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00] Well, I think we could just go right into the question that we both ended up talking about and asking each other, which is, OK, well, if everything stayed status quo, if we didn't change anything, how would I feel? Like, what would the cost be to my health? What about my peace of mind, my family? And again, you all were sharing this with you because these are really, really important check ins for yourself.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00] If you find yourself, you know, overly burdened and sad and afraid of disappointing people, you need to really just step back and think about how it's going to impact you. And are you going to be able to give it your all anyway?

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. And that was actually so a couple of things happened to get me to the point where I had my like, ah, I'm not going to call it an aha moment because it wasn't like a moment I wanted to have. But at the same time, it was important. So the first one was our dear Brynna had the gall to take a two week vacation, which that's a whole other podcast, too, because her vacation did not end up being a vacation. And for that, we are eternally sorry.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01] It was not our fault. It was the fault of human of not human nature, mother nature. But anyway, so Brynna had the nerve to take a vacation. So we had two weeks off from recording. So when Monday rolled around and we were going to be recording on Tuesday, I started having that like all of my stress came flooding back. And for two weeks, it had gone away. And then when it all came back, like, oh, crap, got to get the scripts done.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01] We got to have we got to record all Tuesday night. We've got to I got to go find the wine. I got to go do this. I got to do that. I got to do, you know, all of the million things that go, oh, we got to write social media posts. We got to do this. We got to do that. And it all just sort of started like freaking me out. OK, so that was the first thing. So then I talked to you guys have heard us talk about Deborah. I was talking to Deborah and I was kind of like brainstorming this with her. And she asked me.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01] This all important question that Tricia just did, but she said, OK, I'm going to give you three options and I want you to just sit and see how you feel when I say each one. I said, OK, so the first one was you stop the podcast today. You don't record anything else and you just put something out on social media that you're going on hiatus for a while.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01] So option number two, you finish up through the end of September and you do one last episode where you talk about this with your listeners and then you go on hiatus. OK, option three, you ride out the rest of the season and tape eight more episodes before November. And she said, OK, so which one of those three causes you the most stress?

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01] And I said, the last one, the recording, the eight episodes, I was like, I I don't even know how I would find the time to do it. And she was like, OK, all right. Then between the other two, which one causes you the most stress? And I said, well, the first one, we can't just stop. And she wouldn't be like us. Right. So then she was like, well, there you have your answer. And I was like, OK.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00] And then my next call was to Tricia. Tricia. And if you all remember, we've talked to you a lot about having your people, having someone that you can talk to or multiple someone you can talk to. And this is just more proof of if you have that trusted person or persons being able to just say, hey, here's what I'm thinking and not have them say this is what you should do.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00] But OK, let's pose some ideas and really to get your your kind of your head around things, because that's what you need to do is is really figure out where you are sitting in that space and what you have left.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah. And just to be clear, the reason that I didn't call Tricia and ask these questions is because. I had internal guilt about saying this to Tricia, like I needed somebody who wasn't involved in the podcast at all. I needed just that outside perspective to help me get clarity about what I was feeling instead of having it all jumbled up with.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01] What I, you know, feel like I owe to Tricia, what I feel like I owe to Bryna, what I feel like I owe to all of you like this is it really has been a labor of love for the last four years. Like we poured our heart and soul into this. So it's really hard to say, oh, we're going to end the season early or we're going to take a step away and try to figure out what it looks like moving forward to the people who have been as invested as I have been.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01] So I just needed an outside perspective to help me get clarity so that I could, you know, speak more clearly with Tricia about what I needed in that moment. And so the third question is related, obviously, to the first two, but it's what would happen if you paused instead of just powering through? And I think the pause is so important. And there's a quote that goes along with that.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01] That's something about the pause that I cannot think of right now. But I think the pause is really important because it not only gives you the space to reflect, but it can also give you that clarity. Now, the struggle that we were having is that we were so busy doing, we didn't have time to pause.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01] And that two weeks that we weren't recording gave us that pause that we needed that really, you know, then helped me figure out, oh, I really am stressing out about this. This is impacting my health. This is impacting my ability to focus on the other things I need to focus on, all of those kinds of things. So I think it's the power of the pause. Well, you know, that was really difficult. I can't believe I could think of that. But there you go.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01] So anyway, it's the power of the pause. And it doesn't, I think that was the other thing. Like we, Tricia and I certainly are not ready to say we're done with Wine with HR.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00] Nope.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01] But we don't need to, we don't need to decide that right now. All we needed to decide right now is that we know we need a pause so that we have time to, that we have the time to actually think.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00] Going on the power of the pause, I want to use what, what Julie just said and then transfer it to something that maybe you all are going without, or going through out there. And, and I realized that some of you are going, well, that's nice that you guys can walk away from this, but we're talking about my job, or we're talking about, you know, something else that I can't walk away from. And, and again, we're not walking away. We're just on hiatus for the moment.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00] Um, but the pause is helpful no matter what, because the pause allows you to really reflect. It allows you to get your thoughts together and it allows you to see things in a way that you can't when you're running through the fire. If you'll allow me to use that, it allows actually to pull some of that heat out.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00] If, if you will, it allows you to really get a clear understanding of where you are and what you need so that if you can't quit, or if you can't, if you have to continue, you can still reach out to, to someone who, who maybe holds the purse strings or is, is your boss or whatever you want to say.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_00] And say to them, this is what I need in order to be successful. This is what I need. And you can't do that without taking a moment to pause and figure out exactly what it, what you do need to help you make success, to make you successful. So that's why I want you all to say, like, to think about what we're saying and then transfer it to your own situation.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_00] It may seem like we're just talking about ourselves, but there's always a lesson in everything that we think about and drink about.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01] Yes. Yes. Well, and I think to your point, Tricia, one of the other things the pause can help you do is figure out a game plan. So if you do take a few minutes to sit down with yourself and, and you've been really unhappy at work, let's say, like you're where Tricia was when she quit the corporate world or where I was when I walked away from my law firm.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01] If you can take that time and you ask yourself that question, okay, if six months from now I am still here, how does that make me feel? And if you are like, I will not survive that, then it's time to make a game plan. And that game plan has to be what happens at the end of the next six months if nothing changes, right? So maybe your game plan is, okay, first the best case scenario is that something changes at work and I get to stay here.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01] Okay, fine. What do you need for that to happen? Go ask for it. You've got nothing to lose, right? Because you're going to be leaving in six months anyway, if nothing changes. So maybe it's that, or maybe it's you start, you bide your time, you get whatever trainings you need to get to make you more attractive as a candidate in whatever job you want to apply for.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01] So maybe you do that and you say, I'm going to, for the next six months, I'm going to focus on professional development. I'm going to take every training course I can take. I'm going to get every certification I can take and I'm going to position myself in the best way possible so that when the six months is up, I am on my way out of here.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01] Or maybe you start applying for jobs and you start networking and you start like quietly telling people you're open to it so that you are, again, just better positioned. But at least you're taking action and that alone can make it easier to stay in what seems to be an impossible situation.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01] But if you have a plan and you know that there is an end date, sometimes it can make it a lot easier to get to that point or to withstand it in the interim. And then I think, you know, we talk about boundaries a lot and sometimes it's a person, right? Like sometimes there's a toxic person. We've had many, many an episode on that.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01] Now you can't control what happens to that person because you can't control what the company does to that person and you can't control how that person behaves. They may or may not change. So again, it's kind of like figuring out, well, what are your boundaries going to be around that person? How can you protect yourself from whatever is draining your energy, your time, your resources?

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01] And how can you make going to work not be the thing that like puts you in a cold sweat or, you know, creates a pit in your stomach or those types of things?

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_00] So if you're not sure how to set some boundaries, you know, Julie and I are always available. We tell you that all the time. Shoot us an email to our Wine with HR email or to our personal emails through LinkedIn, wherever you want. We can we can help you. We've got a lot of episodes on it, but just wanted to remind you that just because we're going on hiatus doesn't mean that we won't be there for you.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00] But I I want to shift the conversation in just a little bit of a direction, a different direction. And that's talking to you all about this whole idea of disappointing someone, whether it's a boss, a friend or simply a coworker. Maybe this is the first time you've had this kind of trust placed in you, but you maybe don't have the support that you need for it. So you think, oh, my goodness, I'm going to be letting this person down.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00] This is the first time they've given me an opportunity like this. And now I'm feeling or now I'm going to ask them to do X or Y. The sign of a true leader is to ask for help. And I will say that again and again. A true leader is always right. A true leader is always going to ask for help. They're going to know when they can't go it alone, when they need everybody needs support around them.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_00] And so asking for help, stating what you need, as Julie and I have both already said. I think actually you will find that as with Julie and I, it came as a relief to have the conversation. Or I've had it with subordinates in the past where when they've come to me, I was like, I am so proud of you for recognizing that you needed help. But more importantly, having the courage to ask for it.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00] And if you're like, my boss isn't like that. Well, then what can you do to present it in a way that will allow you to get what you need and then figure out, man, how are you going to become the boss? Because that's ridiculous. And then send them to one of our manager trainings.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01] I want to put some emphasis on what Tricia just said, too, because not only is asking for help a sign of a strong leader, encouraging others to ask for help is a sign of a strong leader, too. So we want to you're setting an example if you do it and you actually do it in front of those for that report to you or those that you work around, then they're going to say like, oh, she did it. And then she got the help and now she's stronger for it.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01] And that sets a really good example. So there's a lot that can be said by that. I hope some of you are at least feeling like, oh, God, I'm not alone just by us sharing our story and us asking for help, which the help we're asking for is that you, you know, don't abandon us just because we're taking a little hiatus. We hope to still engage with you on social media or over LinkedIn, like Tricia said, or if you message us, we will message you back.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01] Just really do that through email because neither one of us are great about checking those social media channels. So it's true. We just don't. So anyway, yeah, email us if you actually want a response. Yeah, there's that. But again, we hope that you just take it to heart that it's like they say in the airplane. And I know that's totally overused, but, you know, you need to put your own oxygen mask on first.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01] So you really need to take care of yourself first. And if you are getting to the point where you are recognizing that your health, your time, your energy, your resources are all being drained because of. One or more things, then it's time to take that pause and figure out how you need to adjust things so that you.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01] Have the energy and the time and the resources that you need for the things that are. Of the greatest priority to you right now. And that may vary depending on, you know, what the specific circumstances are at that particular moment in time. So, again, taking a break doesn't mean you failed. Taking a pause doesn't mean you don't care.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01] It simply means that you respect the people around you enough and the work enough to ensure that you can do it well when you are able to do it. So right now, Trish and I don't really feel like we can do that with wine. So we're stepping away to get some clarity, as we said, and to figure out how we can move forward in a way that makes it more sustainable for us.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01] So on that front, I know we say this all the time, but if you have ideas about what you would like to see or what you think makes sense, we would love for you to reach out to us so that you can do that at whine at monarchendeavorsllc.com. It's always in the show notes. You can also reach out to us on LinkedIn or via email, whatever is easiest for you.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01] But we would love to hear from other people because maybe some of you guys have some great ideas that we have not thought of yet. So please reach out with any ideas that you might have.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00] The thing that we want to emphasize most to all of you, our loyal listeners, our new listeners, is that we absolutely love this community and we are not saying goodbye forever. We really, truly are just hitting pause at the moment so we can figure out what this next version looks like. So until then, give yourself the same grace.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00] Take the same advice that we just took for ourselves and the same fierce protection you offer everyone else in your organization. And really, truly apply it to yourself. Take care of yourself. Set that boundary. And we will talk to you soon. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.