In this episode of The Gen Mess with Tess, Tess is joined by Ashley Herd, founder and CEO of The Manager Method, employment attorney, former HR leader at McKinsey & Company and Yum Brands, co-host of the HR Besties podcast, and author of the newly released book The Manager Method: A Practical Framework to Lead, Support, and Get Results.
Ashley brings a rare, inside view of management from every angle - frontline work, legal risk, HR leadership, and executive training - to unpack why managers have an outsized impact on employee mental health, engagement, and retention. Drawing on research showing that a manager can influence wellbeing as much as a spouse, Tess and Ashley explore how leadership behavior ripples far beyond performance metrics and into people’s lives at home.
This conversation tackles the realities facing modern managers: promotion without training, identity loss when high performers become leaders, generational misunderstandings, and the crushing pressure placed on middle managers. Together, they offer practical, human-centered strategies for leading effectively without burning people out, including Ashley’s core framework: Pause, Consider, Act.
This episode is essential listening for HR professionals, people managers, and executives responsible for building sustainable leadership pipelines and healthier workplace cultures in 2026 and beyond.
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00:01 – Welcome & Introducing Ashley Herd
02:02 – From employment attorney to leadership educator
03:29 – Why great individual contributors often struggle as managers
05:31 – Promotion myths and the cost of untrained leadership
07:59 – Identity loss when high performers become managers
10:06 – The “LinkedIn test” and chasing titles over fit
12:19 – Why work identity is so powerful (especially in the U.S.)
16:05 – Middle managers: too much responsibility, too little support
18:58 – Why one-on-ones still matter at every leadership level
21:33 – The data: managers impact mental health as much as spouses
24:20 – How leadership stress follows people home
27:58 – Generations at work: framework, not stereotypes
32:23 – Technology, boundaries, and modern burnout
38:22 – Overcorrection, distrust, and workplace isolation
41:16 – One shift every manager can make today: Pause, Consider, Act
44:33 – Ashley’s book, resources, and closing reflections
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