California Minimum Wage: Insights, Impacts, and Solutions


In this comprehensive episode of It's About Payroll and It's About Your Paycheck, hosts Brian and Walt delve into the intricacies of California's minimum wage laws, highlighting the importance of understanding local wage variations across different cities and counties. The discussion covers recent trends and societal impacts of minimum wage increases, particularly in the fast food industry. Insights are shared on the positive job growth data and concerns from business owners about higher wages. Notably, the episode reveals a shocking payroll fraud case involving underpaid workers and emphasizes the importance of payroll compliance. Featured resources include Berkeley.edu for accurate wage information and the TimeTrack Go system for efficient payroll management. The episode concludes with a discussion on California's inflation-based wage adjustments and a teaser for upcoming content on paycheck rules and financial insights. Listeners are encouraged to stay informed and follow the show for more valuable payroll-related content.



00:00 Introduction and Greetings


00:40 Casual Conversation and Banter


01:27 Reflections on Life and Success


02:43 AI and Music Industry Controversies


03:46 Hip Hop and Movie Recommendations


06:37 California Minimum Wage Discussion


08:18 Fast Food Industry Wage Issues


10:17 Payroll Fraud and Legal Consequences


12:38 Sponsor Message and Upcoming Webinar


13:48 Exploring Time Track Go Features


14:48 California Minimum Wage Breakdown


16:44 Understanding Local Wage Variations


20:22 Employee Rights and Responsibilities


21:26 Employer Compliance and Challenges


24:14 Safe Talk: Wage Adjustments and Cost of Living


28:11 Closing Remarks and Future Topics



Links/Sources


https://www.fastcompany.com/91212542/when-california-raised-fast-food-wages-jobs-actually-increased-thats-not-what-the-industry-wants-you-to-think


[Wage Theft in California] (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/dlsepressreleases.htm)


- [Immigrant Workers and Wage Theft](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-20/wage-theft-immigrant-workers-california)






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[00:00:00] Ugh, dieser komplexe Finanzierungstalk ist ganz schön anstrengend. Ob ich mein Depot jemals angelegt kriege?

[00:00:06] Aber du hast doch schon ein Depot.

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[00:00:25] Ich bin glücklich, dass ich meine Meinung habe. Wenn du in California bist, musst du in

[00:00:33] California suchen, deine Stadt zu finden, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,

[00:00:53] um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um,

[00:00:54] wondering, yes, at some point we will split this off and there will be separate episodes,

[00:01:00] but sometimes it's, it just makes sense to do one. And this is one of those things we

[00:01:05] think you tell us, but before we get into all that, what's up, Walt?

[00:01:10] What's up? What's up with you, man? I'm good.

[00:01:12] What's up, William? Wait, it's Walter William.

[00:01:14] Yes, I never get it right.

[00:01:15] Yeah, Walter William III.

[00:01:18] William III.

[00:01:19] The third.

[00:01:22] Cause, cause I always get confused. Cause like,

[00:01:25] your name is Walter William, but then at one point you was like, no, I'm gonna go by William.

[00:01:29] And I'm like, all right. So I'm like, okay, that must be his first name. So William Walter,

[00:01:34] but it's really Walter William III, the Duncan III WD3. You know what I mean?

[00:01:40] Yup.

[00:01:42] What's good, man?

[00:01:44] Nothing much. I'm good, bro. Just grateful.

[00:01:46] Sending that gratitude again.

[00:01:48] Good, man.

[00:01:49] Hope it's ready to go. How about you, man?

[00:01:51] I'm doing the same. Doing the same, man. It's just, it's, it's definitely a season of change.

[00:01:56] It's transition.

[00:01:57] Yeah. It's definitely a season of transition. Who knows?

[00:02:00] Who knows? Who knows, guys?

[00:02:02] Okay.

[00:02:02] Sometimes life in general will have you speeches and just, hey, it is what it is.

[00:02:07] Yeah. So many.

[00:02:08] It's just, just the way it goes.

[00:02:09] My life for the last, almost a year now has been like, I think of Oprah saying you can have it all,

[00:02:15] but not all at once. So it's okay. It's things like folks, we, when we like share stuff is because

[00:02:26] we going through it, right? We are not at a point where we could look, we could give some people some

[00:02:31] advice because we are successful in our own right. But yeah, like we, I don't think we say it enough.

[00:02:37] We're not talking at folks. We're talking with y'all, right?

[00:02:43] We're relating.

[00:02:43] We're relating. We're, we're sharing our experiences and sharing our struggles.

[00:02:48] Current and past.

[00:02:50] Through payroll, through your paycheck, through these conversations.

[00:02:53] We just share, yep. Present, future, past. Who knows?

[00:02:56] Hmm.

[00:02:57] Yeah. So I don't want, I like, I don't, I, cause I don't want every folks right. Who do they think

[00:03:01] they are? Nobody really. We don't think we're not, we don't think we're anybody. We're Brian and Walt.

[00:03:05] That's who we think we are.

[00:03:06] We're older.

[00:03:07] And then with, hopefully with AI, we can be like minority report and predict

[00:03:11] hero problems.

[00:03:13] My son just, my, my son would just brought up something about

[00:03:18] there's some going at some rap artists because they accused them of, of, of using AI.

[00:03:22] But I was like, wait, did he use AI for his own voice? And apparently he may not have the facts

[00:03:28] right. But I was like, I don't think there's a problem with that.

[00:03:31] I was like, the problem is somebody taking our voices and trying to use it as their game.

[00:03:37] Yes.

[00:03:37] That's the problem. Taking other art, like how that Drake, who was it? Drake and somebody,

[00:03:42] Kendrick, they write that. I wonder if that sparked the beef. Did that spark the beef?

[00:03:47] I don't know what sparked the beef. I don't even know what sparked the beef, right? Who cares?

[00:03:50] They just got record sales and record streams and all that. As long as they don't take it to real

[00:03:54] life, rap beef is cool. Rap battling is part of the culture. Just don't make it Biggie Tupac thing

[00:04:02] where it got real and we lost two of the greatest MCs, two of the greatest hip hop artists that will

[00:04:07] ever be. That was senseless. That was unnecessary. You know what I mean? Oh my God.

[00:04:12] Speaking of hip hop, by the way, if we were talking real quick, I just saw a piece by piece.

[00:04:18] It's a Lego movie, but it's Pharrell Williams documentary.

[00:04:24] Oh, wow. Yep. That's cool.

[00:04:27] It's go see it with wifey. You will love it. I think you will love it. I think you will absolutely

[00:04:34] enjoy it. I saw, I took the kit. Like I was the one that prompted it cause I saw the preview for it

[00:04:39] and I was like, oh, I want to see this. I'm the one. I haven't seen a trailer or anything.

[00:04:45] Cause you know what it is? I'm being kids movies. So I saw the trailer at one of the other kids

[00:04:50] movies that we went to see. And I was like, oh, mark that on the calendar. We're going to see that.

[00:04:54] Sure enough. Oh, yes. Okay. I'm gonna check that out. Mad underrated. It's not,

[00:04:58] it's definitely not getting the love that it should be getting as a Lego movie, as a hip hop movie.

[00:05:03] Cause it's everything's about diddy. Oh my God. You see all the distractions of things. Yeah,

[00:05:10] man, forget him, bro. Like who really who, and that's what my wife was saying. She's distractions,

[00:05:16] babe distractions. I was like, cause everything is diddy. Like all the feet, everything on the feed

[00:05:20] is come on. You know what I mean? Cause cause the part that is just cause we brought it up. We

[00:05:25] haven't talked about it on the show yet. The part that I would definitely not condone support in any

[00:05:32] way is any underage type of things. Right. I'm a father of daughters. Like I,

[00:05:37] if you were doing that as you deplorable, like you horrible, you deserve every minute in jail that,

[00:05:43] you know, even with males, but no matter who, no matter who, yeah. Oh God. No matter like that age

[00:05:49] thing is horrible. You know what I mean? Yeah. But his sexuality, if it's just a matter of his

[00:05:55] sexuality, then yeah. Hey, clearly he was in the closet. I think is what they're saying. I haven't gotten

[00:06:00] dug into any of it. I'm just, it's nonsense to me other than the illegal, illegal activity.

[00:06:07] He needs to go. And he clear. And if he's in jail, clearly they had enough to put them away.

[00:06:11] You know what I mean? Yeah. You gotta pay your time kid. Sorry. You were a predator just like

[00:06:16] Hollywood and how they talk about the casting couch and all the horrible things that people in power do.

[00:06:23] You know what I mean? I think it's karma. I think, Hey, you do the crime. You gotta do the time.

[00:06:27] Maybe karma comes back to you one way or another. And that's what it is. I agree, man.

[00:06:32] And Matt, look, we're going to segue. Yes. We were talking about, you mentioned Tupac. So today's

[00:06:37] topic is going to be about California. We don't have a producer folks. So we're all like,

[00:06:46] we're going to have to start throwing our old sound bites and exactly.

[00:06:56] You know what I mean? Going back to Cali.

[00:07:00] People would love that. Yeah. Oh gosh. There's so many. Anywho. Yes. We are talking about

[00:07:05] California minimum wage today. We're getting in and just give you, give employees enough to be armed

[00:07:12] and dangerous. It's savvy with information. We want to empower y'all with information and resources

[00:07:19] and the tools and the savviness to go out there, find more information, do the research in the right

[00:07:24] spots, go look at the right things. Right. You look this, the topics that we talk about are so,

[00:07:31] how can I say so big? There's so much information and everything that we only hope to give you enough to

[00:07:39] go get you fired up and research in the right places and learn the right things. We want to spark,

[00:07:44] we want to spark that interest. We want to spark that interest to be like, oh, what they say?

[00:07:48] Hold on. Let me go through my, on the phone every, anyway, right? We have the most powerful tool in

[00:07:53] the world in our hands. I get so frustrated in my kids when they ask me questions. Cause I'm like,

[00:07:58] you literally have a computer in your hand. You ain't even got a type. You could just ask Siri.

[00:08:04] Come on. You have magic in your hands. You got magic in your hands. Come on. What are you asking me for?

[00:08:08] Google it. Siri it. So anywho, we're going to get into Cali minimum wage. But before that,

[00:08:15] we have some pay news to help and to drop the little nuggets here and there. Cause we like

[00:08:21] current events. We like news. Stay informed. And of course, I don't know. I don't know what the

[00:08:26] word is, but as always we find the, the, this common ground sink in sink, even when we're not in

[00:08:33] sink. Cause Walt, we, we prep, but we don't talk about every moment and every article that we're

[00:08:38] going to go pull. So I, we both pulled fast food articles to have, that have to do with California.

[00:08:44] Mine is the, about the fast food minimum wage that happened in California in the last year.

[00:08:52] Employers were like up in arms because of this new minimum wage. How could this be? We're going to

[00:08:59] lose our business. It's going to kill the industry. Because they don't, they balked at having to pay

[00:09:07] their workers more money. Heaven forbid you have to pay them a fair wage. You know what I mean? But

[00:09:13] survey says that none of those things happen. So all these business owners said, oh, because the minimum

[00:09:19] wage is going to go up for fast food workers. I'm actually good. We're going to lose workers.

[00:09:23] We're going to lose business. Our business is going to die right now that may have happened for some

[00:09:28] businesses. It definitely did. It definitely did. Yep. It happened for some, but those are going to be

[00:09:33] businesses that are on the fringe of collapse anyway. You know what I mean? The pandemic got rid of

[00:09:38] those businesses that were just like on the fringe, right on the cusp of staying in business or going

[00:09:44] out of business. So that means you were about to, you were one thing away from going to business,

[00:09:49] going out of business anyway. And this just happened to be that thing, right? Look, I'm a student of

[00:09:55] business and I get seemingly cold about how it plays out because I just understand the business of

[00:10:01] it all. And I get there are people on the other side of, I get it, but it business is business. It's

[00:10:06] one of the first things we learned at business school was business ethics is an oxymoron.

[00:10:10] So it doesn't always click like morality and the thing like it should, but when you go by business,

[00:10:16] it's not always going to take care of the people. So anywho, there are some companies that had did

[00:10:22] go out of business because they couldn't afford to pay their people the $20. I think it was $20 an

[00:10:28] hour or something that it went up to in California just for fast food workers. Okay. But the opposite

[00:10:34] happened. They just added more jobs in the most recent survey, like they're up. So go

[00:10:40] fake. There you go. What's yours about, man? You know what you should know? You should know

[00:10:48] that you should know podcast. That's what you should know because then you'd be in the know

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[00:11:00] Mine is about something that happened at Taco Bell. Oh, my fave.

[00:11:04] So there was a franchisee who owned a couple of Taco Bells and subways in Northern California. Okay.

[00:11:10] What happened is that they cheated over 230 workers out of $4 million in the wages.

[00:11:16] What? Yeah.

[00:11:17] How? Did they say how?

[00:11:19] Yeah. So the scheme involved them paying their employees below the minimum wage,

[00:11:24] the nine overtime and making illegal deductions from meal breaks and cash shortages. Many of them

[00:11:30] didn't speak English. Is it were immigrants and they were threatened with the deportation

[00:11:36] or getting fired. They had illegal people working there too.

[00:11:40] Maybe on some visas, work visas. I don't know. I don't know everything, but look,

[00:11:45] they tried to, uh, yeah, the first, they also falsified payroll records. Oh my,

[00:11:51] but it was one worker. It was that one worker. What do we always say? You speaking up, right?

[00:11:56] You may be that one domino, right? That's right. That one worker stood up and reported it to their

[00:12:03] local workers rights center and it sparked an investigation and they found out that employees

[00:12:09] had been, were earning less than $5 an hour after deductions in California. Oh, that's, wait,

[00:12:17] wait, wait. There's one more thing that I really think is the shocker is the big twist here. So

[00:12:22] after their investigation, they found out that this person was tied to organized crime. Oh. And

[00:12:28] he and human trafficking. Oh. And so that some of the workers, because some of the workers had been

[00:12:33] trafficked into the U S and forced to work under the threat of violence. So by the end of 2020,

[00:12:40] the operators faced criminal charges and were ordered to pay millions in back wages. Yeah.

[00:12:46] Well, the articles are going to be in the show notes and stuff. I found that fascinating. Yeah.

[00:12:51] Yeah. And so on point on point with what we're talking about. Yeah. That's crazy, man. We keep

[00:12:56] finding this stuff. I swear to God, folks, we thought one day we were like, we're not going to find

[00:13:01] enough content in this arena. There's no way people are just going to continue to make, commit crimes.

[00:13:06] And commit these same, make their own crimes and do these same, no fraud. Wire fraud. No. Ghost

[00:13:12] employees. Cow. That temptation. It's the temptation. It comes back to that temptation to kill you every

[00:13:18] time. Oh man. Before we get into it, let's pay some bills here. Shout out to Time Track Go. All right.

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[00:15:30] All right. All right, folks. Now we are talking about the money, literally always the money,

[00:15:37] California minimum wage. And one of the things that like, that I wanted to share with about

[00:15:42] California minimum wage is its complexity by like, they get granular by city. So I'll start you off

[00:15:52] here. Here we go. On May, on, on May 1st. Well, I don't know why I say my first on January 1st,

[00:15:58] 2, 2024, the beginning of this year, California initiated instituted

[00:16:06] a minimum wage of no less than $16 per hour, regardless of the size of their employer. Whoa,

[00:16:13] that's big too. Holy cow. So let me point, let me, let's talk about that for a quick moment because

[00:16:19] employees may not get it. You don't, you don't pay attention to it when you're an employee. Some states

[00:16:25] break it, minimum wage down by the size of the employer. Meaning if you're that small mom and pop,

[00:16:32] you got four employees and blah, blah, blah. Hey, maybe you can stick to the federal minimum wage.

[00:16:38] Okay. But if you're a large employer or midsize employer, depending on how the state breaks it down,

[00:16:45] then you have to abide by certain rules. Callie said, it does not matter what size you are.

[00:16:53] $16 an hour minimum across the state since January 1st of 2024.

[00:17:00] So if you are in California and you work as a W2 employee, okay, let me qualify that. If you're a 1099

[00:17:09] contractor, you make your own rates. There are different things for 1099 contractors. This is not

[00:17:15] applied. This is a W2 employee anywhere in the state, any company in the state, as long as you're working

[00:17:23] legally, you are entitled to $16 per hour. Here's the catch that I was so excited to share. There are over 40

[00:17:34] variables in the state of California, meaning there are 40 locales, state, city, county that pay at different

[00:17:45] rates. Different minimum wage, different. Thank you. A different minimum wage. And for instance,

[00:17:53] let me see if I can go here real quick. I was just going to throw out a couple examples, right? For

[00:17:58] instance, in Berkeley County, it's $18.67 minimum wage. Yeah. In Cupertino, $17.75 minimum wage.

[00:18:10] Yeah. LA, $16.78. San Francisco's $18.07. I have $17.78 for LA.

[00:18:19] Hey, it's Bob Pulver, host of you podcast. Human-centric AI, AI-driven transformation,

[00:18:25] hiring for skills and potential, dynamic workforce ecosystems, responsible innovation. These are some

[00:18:31] of the themes my expert guests and I chat about, and we certainly geek out on the details. Nothing too

[00:18:36] technical. I hope you check it out. Oh, wow. Okay. See what I'm saying? But see, I'm glad you said that

[00:18:42] because that is really my point. If you're in California, you need to look up your city, your

[00:18:49] county's minimum wage to make sure you're good. And let's clarify even one, qualify even one step

[00:18:55] further. It's where you work, right? You may live in LA, but you work in Cupertino. That's probably not

[00:19:02] realistic. But you live in one and work in another. It's going to be where you work in that minimum

[00:19:07] wages, right? So you can't be like, oh my, the city I live in is more. Nope. The company is,

[00:19:13] that's where it's the minimum wage. Okay. So keep that in mind. If you're Cali and you're an employee

[00:19:20] in California, you can look up the minimum wage. And guess what? Berkeley.edu has an awesome breakdown.

[00:19:30] It will be in the show notes. County, city and county minimum wage ordinances.

[00:19:36] There are over 40 in California. Okay. It's not only the state, it's broken down by county and city.

[00:19:44] Yeah. Because previously with the minimum wage, I'm so glad you said that about the differences,

[00:19:49] right? Because they changed it historically. So I think 2022, this was the year before they changed it,

[00:19:54] because 2023 is when they made it level that no matter what size employer, you were going to be paid

[00:19:59] like 1550. But before that, there was a dollar difference. So if you worked in 2022, if you worked

[00:20:06] at an employer that had 25 employees or less, that was $14 an hour. If you had 26 or more,

[00:20:11] that was $15 an hour. Right? So you would have to know as the employee, but how many people do you

[00:20:18] have working here? And I'm only getting paid this much. That's a problem. Exactly right. Oh,

[00:20:23] that's a great call out too. Cause remember Tabitha Brown was on and she said she was paying

[00:20:26] at the time when she had her restaurant, she was paying her workers way up, like way above the

[00:20:32] minimum wage. Yep. And then kind of Cali caught up and started paying more as well. So yeah, no,

[00:20:40] and that's why that's, that was my whole point is it could be so different. Make sure you're looking

[00:20:45] at accurate information. Make sure the website that you use is, even though I called out Berkeley's

[00:20:52] website, you use that to double check it. Hey, Berkeley saying that Los Angeles is this,

[00:20:58] let me go look at Los Angeles city's government's website, minimum wage. That's where the truth,

[00:21:03] that's like the record of truth is the city's website, not another website. Shout out to Berkeley

[00:21:09] for doing this. Cause it's a dope and it looks very up to date, but you double check it, especially

[00:21:14] if you're trying to go to your employer and you're going to say, Hey, you're not paying me properly.

[00:21:18] You want to definitely reference something that they have to abide by as well.

[00:21:25] Yeah. And look for the employee, right? There's like an example that I gave earlier about Taco Bell,

[00:21:31] the franchisee that was a pain, it was a short pain, the immigrants and not the non citizen or immigrant

[00:21:38] employees. Even if you are an immigrant employee, you still have certain rights to be paid. Absolutely.

[00:21:44] So absolutely. Yeah. So just employees before I let you, before Walt shares the employer piece,

[00:21:50] I'll let you know as an employee, check your pay stubs, look at, look at your rates.

[00:21:55] And then Cali has a very strict, Oh, we should do that too. What has to be on a pay stub in Cali?

[00:22:01] Let's do that. And then, so one is check your pay stub. Two is report violations. If your employer,

[00:22:07] politely go to the employer. I would try, Hey, I would say, Hey, politely go to your employer first.

[00:22:12] And if they're not responding, report them. And then the last thing, stay informed about the wage

[00:22:19] increases in your, where you are. And it could be just as a matter of stay informed. People like, Hey,

[00:22:24] look it up every now and then, Hey, you know what? Let me check. It's been a while. Let me check the

[00:22:27] minimum wage. Make sure it didn't go up or not. That's it. And look, as the employer, you want to

[00:22:33] make sure that you're doing the same thing, right? Because this is a change that occurred, right?

[00:22:37] It used to be one way a couple of years ago, and now it's different. Like I alluded to,

[00:22:42] no matter what the employer size is, the state minimum wage is now $10 an hour as of January 1st,

[00:22:48] 2024. Right? So you want to make sure and do your research as the employer, just like the employee

[00:22:54] should do. You want to see what local jurisdiction you are in because they may enforce a higher local

[00:22:59] minimum wage and employers need to comply with that, right? You either comply or you fry. I love it.

[00:23:06] You know what the saying?

[00:23:07] Well, like fly or fry. Yeah.

[00:23:10] By 2025, California's minimum wage is expected to continue increasing based on inflation.

[00:23:17] Oh, dang.

[00:23:17] So that was, yeah, that was determined by California's department of finance, um, during their annual

[00:23:22] assessment. So you want to make sure that you're aware of this as an employer and account for any

[00:23:27] potential increases in your budgeting and your payroll processes. So what are those key

[00:23:33] considerations? Compliance, as I just said, comply or fry. That's where both state and local wages,

[00:23:39] right? I love it.

[00:23:40] I love it.

[00:23:40] Those laws.

[00:23:41] Yeah. And then wage compression, challenges that occur as wages rise, right? So you may need to adjust

[00:23:49] wages for higher paid employees to maintain equitable pay structures.

[00:23:53] I just learned about wage compression this past year, by the way.

[00:23:56] Me too. Me too.

[00:23:58] Me too. Me too.

[00:23:59] Me too.

[00:23:59] You want to conduct constant payroll audits. That's something you want to do anyway.

[00:24:03] Yes. If you're right.

[00:24:04] Yeah. If you're the employer, you're the payroll pro, there should be audits on your schedule.

[00:24:09] Yep.

[00:24:09] You want to make sure that whether you're in HR or payroll, somebody should be doing this audit

[00:24:14] to ensure that employees are being paid in accordance with the law. Right.

[00:24:18] And you want to anticipate any increased costs in overtime, right? And any other wage-based benefits

[00:24:26] that are tied to the minimum wage levels. Right? So these are all things that you want to make sure

[00:24:32] that you're addressing as the employer, right? And look, because if you're not doing right by the employees...

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[00:25:10] Eventually, somebody's gonna... You're gonna get the right one there. When I say that, the right one's gonna show up,

[00:25:15] and they're gonna report everything. Yep. And you're gonna have to do it anyway. And you're gonna take a...

[00:25:19] Potentially, as a business, you may take a blow to your company's reputation, and people might not want to work for you

[00:25:25] or anything like that. Yep. And it may impact the business. So just do the right thing now. Yeah.

[00:25:29] Yeah. Karma's a mother-affer, man. Like, it'll come back to you for sure.

[00:25:33] Yep. It sure will. You know. Nice. All right. We're going.

[00:25:36] With that being said, we're gonna end it out with our safe talk question.

[00:25:42] Safe talk. Yep. And then, yeah. So is California's annual inflation-based minimum wage adjustment

[00:25:50] enough to ensure that employees can keep up with the state's high cost of living,

[00:25:54] or do we need a more proactive approach to wage increases? What do you think?

[00:25:59] Man, for me, look, I think California is already very employee-centric. So I think that their

[00:26:07] finance department of finance is taking that into account already. And they have to balance it out.

[00:26:12] They just can't go tilt one way. It's a fine line.

[00:26:15] Balance. You said it is a balance.

[00:26:16] Well, it's like on that balancing beam or the tightrope. You know what I'm saying? You have to

[00:26:21] balance it out and you have to be meticulous with it. And you have to do it in the right way.

[00:26:25] Yeah. Because you lean one way too far to the right, you might fall. It might cause something to

[00:26:31] break or something to go awry. Yep. You know what I'm saying? So I think that they're doing

[00:26:36] a good job. Agreed.

[00:26:38] And look, there's always, no matter what, there's no perfect process. There's no perfect system as of

[00:26:45] yet. Right? There's nothing perfect yet. Maybe AI will help us get closer to that perfection. But

[00:26:51] look, there's always going to be something that can be done better in a better way. And that's why I

[00:26:56] think that they're doing a good job. I don't know if anything could be done to be more proactive about

[00:27:02] that. What about you? No, I think that's the answer. Like I just looked up to see, oh, there are,

[00:27:10] okay. 15 states and the district of Columbia index their minimum wage to inflation, meaning that the

[00:27:17] minimum wage increases automatically each year based on the course of living. Okay. So there you go,

[00:27:24] California being one of them and there's 14 others that do it as well. So that's interesting. Why

[00:27:32] doesn't every state do it? You know what I mean? So look now, with that being said, the average cost of

[00:27:38] living in California in 2024, it's around $53,000 a year. Okay. So I know minimum wage, $16 an hour.

[00:27:50] That's about 33,000. Like, so it takes two. It got to be two people.

[00:27:57] Yeah. Yup. Yup. Exactly. So two people should be able to do it. Um, but yeah, I mean, I was out in Cali, uh,

[00:28:09] in the last few months as well. And same thing, I was talking to business owners and then they were like,

[00:28:14] man, uh, you know, I wish my, my people could buy homes and stuff like that, but like, it's so

[00:28:19] expensive. This area and that area is so expensive and, you know, it's, and that's the case a lot of

[00:28:26] places now, I think post pan, I think pandemic really messed it up. Although I am seeing like

[00:28:32] things tend to correct itself, but mandate back to work and they're changing the, the folks is like, um,

[00:28:41] you know, a lot, well, companies did it right away. Right. When they were like, oh, you want to,

[00:28:45] you moved without telling us great. We're going to adjust your salary to where you move to.

[00:28:50] Oh, it might work against them too. This is what I'm saying. People took a lot of liberties in

[00:28:55] pandemic. They were like, oh, I'm moving across the country. I work for remote now. Not even

[00:28:59] yeah. Not even thinking that, Hey, it might be a one day come back to the office. Yeah. There's a lot of

[00:29:05] auto correction for that, but look, I think they're doing the right thing. They, them and 14 other

[00:29:09] states are doing it right. Does it solve the problem? No. There's a part of me that believes

[00:29:14] that the American dream is built on always running for that carrot, right? The carrot or

[00:29:20] the stick. And you say we're constantly in the hamster wheel, huh? Yep. Yep. Yep. No matter what.

[00:29:26] No matter what. And there are folks that break out of it, but yeah, you know, can you do that when

[00:29:32] it's just financial freedom?

[00:29:36] Yeah. I heard that once you get a taste of that financial freedom, you never want to go back.

[00:29:40] I believe it. Yeah. I believe it. I believe it. That's it folks. Check us out for the next one.

[00:29:45] We're definitely going to do Cali paycheck rules. There are certain rules that folks should like,

[00:29:52] there are things that have to be on California pay stubs. Other states are not as strict. So let's

[00:29:59] definitely touch that, get that for the employees. Keep, keep in tune for that. And until the next time,

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