The Human Potential Assessment That Changes How You See Yourself | Mark Vandeneijnde

[00:00:00] Hello, hello. You're tuning into the Careering with Cameron Podcast, your safe place to ask all the dumb questions about finding a job. Hey, everybody. It's Kevin with Careering with Cameron, and I am joined today by my friend Mark. Mark Vandeneijnde. I'm going to try to get through your last name. I did not. Always good.

[00:00:24] Mark is going to correct me on this. So Mark has his own firm called Being at Full Potential. And for our audience, real quick, what we're going to get to today is really when you get stuck. And you get stuck in so many different points in your life and how to identify how to get yourself moving forward. But that's where we're going.

[00:00:49] How I found Mark actually is that I'm working towards my MCC and coaching, and I found this program. And I thought to myself, wow, I'm kind of stuck right now. Like, you get stuck every day.

[00:01:04] And so what I love about the program and the certification that I completed with him, but also what he has taught me, is how do you figure out why you're stuck, where you're stuck, how do you move forward? And I think, you know, Mark and I have talked about this for a lot of people. The challenge is stopping and understanding why is this stuck thing happened?

[00:01:32] Whether you are at a career change or whether you are at some type of other life change, starting a new company. There's a lot of things that go into this where you can feel that you get stuck. And so Mark's program has essentially created a platform where you can work with a coach or you can even work on your own in some ways to figure out, like, how do I move forward?

[00:02:00] And ideally, how do we look at the employment of the future in terms of it not being quite so I'm doing a job to do a job? So that was a lot. I'm just super excited about having Mark on the show today. I can't wait for this podcast to hit and for people to be able to listen because I've had the advantage, I feel, of getting to know you, Mark.

[00:02:20] And certainly, you know, the two of us developing a friendship, but also really getting a much better understanding of like, you might be a coach, but you still get stuck, Kevin. So how did you get here, Mark? Like, how did you kind of create this organization? What drove you to do it? Yeah, thanks so much, Kevin. Thanks for having me on. And thanks for creating the space to explore.

[00:02:50] So, you know, what got me to get on this path 15 years ago was feeling was because I was stuck, basically. So, you know, I would say I was stuck. I was stuck in a corporate job, you know, that on the surface looked really good. And, but it was not fulfilling.

[00:03:14] And I didn't feel like I could bring my talents, my gifts, you know, my passion into the work, at least not as much as I wanted to. There were glimpses of it, of course, but I wanted to be able to do much more of that. And no matter how hard I tried to sort of carve out and, you know, talk to my colleagues and my managers and my boss, and no matter how much I was sort of, you know, trying it, nothing was really changing.

[00:03:44] You know, it was like the status quo was kind of repeating itself, even though I would change assignments or maybe even, you know, we end up changing companies. And we realized that those patterns are actually kind of the same. So, you know, that was sort of my feeling. And it was around that time that I discovered coaching and that I started to go on my own journey of personal development.

[00:04:06] And I worked with a coach and I started to realize that there were, you know, many aspects of myself that I'd sort of forgotten or, you know, decided based on feedback I'd gotten in the corporate world. That they were challenges that needed to be fixed rather than actually gifts and talents that I could embrace and utilize more of.

[00:04:28] So there was actually quite a bit of confusion around even what leadership meant and what does it mean to be a good leader in my own mind. And that's, I think, where a lot of the stuckness was. And so slowing down and going inward and doing the reflection helped me to untangle some of that and get some more clarity. And that, of course, then opened up, you know, this very exciting path of entrepreneurship.

[00:04:57] It's interesting that your journey to this was literally getting unstuck to move to this place. So, you know, I think, I guess that the next question would be, do people know when they're stuck? I don't think people necessarily speak about it like that. Like, I'm stuck.

[00:05:19] I think what often we hear is people say, I'm unhappy or I'm unfulfilled or, you know, I'm low on energy or I'm depressed or whatever. And those are all signals of being stuck. Something is blocked. Something is energetically blocked. And you don't need to get external fixes. You need to do the internal work if you want to unblock it. Right.

[00:05:42] But our default is to go and look for solutions out there, you know, whether it be medication or a new job or, you know, different relationship. Believing that that will be the solution to the feelings that we have. And sometimes they are, but often it is something internal that we need to work through. A belief system, an assumption that we have, you know, something that is that we've outgrown within our own sort of way of seeing the world. Right.

[00:06:12] And storing ourselves. Yeah. Is it, is it pretty much human nature to say it's not me? It's everything around me. I don't know if it's human nature or if it's just our conditioning the way that we're brought up. Okay. We're brought up in a very, in a world which validates us based on what we do, how much we achieve, how well we study at school and all of that.

[00:06:41] And I don't know if that is actually human nature. I, you know, you could argue that that goes against human nature. It's crafted. Yeah. And that actually our true, our true nature is, is, you know, would be much more in tune with this, let's call it deeper work or inner work. Right. And, you know, and, and, and being able to say that I am blocked, it's actually quite empowering. Right.

[00:07:09] Because if I am blocked, there's something that is blocked within me and it empowers me to go and do something about it. But if I'm depressed, it's because of something out there. That's a very good point. That's a difference. Yeah. That's a very good point. And I feel like just listening to you say blocked, you know, there's a, there's sort of an internal like, oh, I don't, I don't like it to be my fault out of the gates.

[00:07:37] As soon as I bring something, I don't want it to be just my thing. But when you say blocked, it doesn't feel quite so much like I, I'm not handling a problem correctly. It feels like, oh, there's something that's going on that's making this happen. And I haven't identified what that is yet to be able to say, okay, I get through this. That's right. Yeah. So, so I think.

[00:08:07] There's something I need to pay attention to, right? There's something I'm not seeing yet that I need to pay attention to. That's where it takes us. So many times I'm seeing people who are at a point in their career where they have a job. They maybe don't love the job.

[00:08:29] And that feeling of, I don't love the job has built over time to, I don't know if I can get up on Monday morning and get to work at this point. I really don't like what I'm doing. Where do you start? One step at a time. Okay. Okay. Yeah. You know, that's where I think a coach can really be very helpful.

[00:08:56] You know, be really helpful because, you know, not only does a coach help you break things down into something that is a bit more manageable, but a coach also usually brings us to, you know, that self-reflection. That point of self-reflection, right? Then it doesn't become about, I need to fix a problem, but let me understand what's going on a bit more. Right. It takes us back to what we were just talking about. Let me understand what might be blocking me.

[00:09:26] Yes. And it then leads to a deeper level of self-awareness, self-understanding. You know, very often what is actually happening is that there's a misalignment between who I am or who I'm becoming, you know, in terms of the gifts that I have, the passions that I have, the interests that I have, and what the context of the work is allowing me to do. Now, sometimes we can influence the context of the work, right?

[00:09:53] If we, but the starting point is for me to have more clarity. If I can go to my boss, if I can go to my colleagues and say, listen, you know, I'm not really satisfied the way we're working and here's how we could do it differently. You might actually get a very, a very good positive response from that. But I think it starts with me understanding myself better and what is going on.

[00:10:19] And then I can start to influence my, you know, the, the, the context and the environments in which I am, or I might make different choices. I might say, you know, I want to take my career into a different direction and you start opening up other doors. So it, but, but it can feel very overwhelming, right? It's been feel like a huge thing.

[00:10:40] So I think it's really important that it, it sort of, we don't set expectations of overnight changes, right? That we just take it one step at a time. And, you know, and maybe it starts doing more hobbies, right? Maybe we say, okay, the work is work is work. It is what it is. But what I can do is I can, I can sign up for these, this class or this club or this hobby outside of work. And I can sort of polish some things that I'm really interested in.

[00:11:09] And that might over time then, you know, open up other doors, right? So it doesn't all have to happen all at once. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that we have gotten comfortable with the concept of work-life balance in our lives and our vocabulary. And it's interesting listening to you talk about hobbies, thinking to myself, how often we start that new position and then we pour everything into it.

[00:11:38] And it's very hard to break that mold to include things that maybe we just like to do. Maybe they're just for us. So to keep those hobbies engaged and keep those things that we have interest in and have the courage and the bandwidth to explore new things that we maybe don't know much about, but they seem interesting. Exactly. Would be a great way to avoid that happening. Exactly.

[00:12:03] You know, and I think that is actually key is just to take on a mindset of curiosity and to be open to explore and to give yourself, give ourselves permission to learn new things. Because often it's in that edge that, you know, we discover so much more. And again, it doesn't mean you have to quit your job overnight. You just have to carve out space for it.

[00:12:29] And that, you know, that is in our circle of influence, right? We can do that. We might tell ourselves we can't do it because the job is too demanding. And it's, you know, but if we want to, we can, we can create time and create space for that. It's a matter of priorities. Yes. Yes.

[00:12:49] I love you use a term often in your training program that has been like a light bulb to me going off when I heard it in the program and after, and just now it went off again. So I want to really call it to be a bad pun to light for our audience. It's maintaining a state of curiosity. Being curious is something that seems so basic for people.

[00:13:16] But when you stop yourself and think about, am I curious? Am I being curious? Chances are you're not. Chances are you are on the treadmill and you're going as fast as you can go to get the things squared away that you need to get squared away, whether it's for you or your family or your job, whatever it may be. But just slowing down and being curious.

[00:13:40] And oftentimes for people who are in a career transition, that's a forced subject. They have to be curious about what's outside the four walls of their office. But before then, really, it isn't. And that's a remarkable concept to bring to people. And hopefully this episode will get them to kind of listen to that and say, I should be more curious. Yeah. It sounds so basic. Yeah.

[00:14:10] And you may remember from the human potential certification training that curiosity is one of the core dimensions of the framework. Right. And we define it as looking at the world with fresh eyes. Right. The world or whatever, you know, is going on in our life through a fresh, fresh eyes. And I was having just this week, I was having a conversation with a client who had taken the assessment.

[00:14:41] And that was one of his areas of development. Right. It was read. It was unexpressed. And he was very surprised. Actually, he was very surprised because he was like, yeah, I'm actually a very curious person by nature. Right. And then we sort of dug into it a little bit more. And then he realized that, you know, he took this in the context of his work. And he took the assessment in context of his work. And then he was like, aha, yeah, you know, I've been in this job for 10 years, something like that.

[00:15:09] And I remember how I was when I first started the first couple of years. Everything was new. Everything was kind of wondrous, you know. And I still had that sort of innate curiosity alive. But over the years, you know, it's like that you close, close, close. That closes itself off. And you start to just say, well, this is the way things are, you know. And don't question things. And, you know, this is the way things are done here. Right.

[00:15:37] It's more of these things that start to creep in. And it's just out of habit. Right. It's very, I think that is human nature. But we can break that cycle, too. You know, and I think it was very, it was very empowering for him to kind of look at his career as maybe there's a next chapter, you know, within the same company, in the same role.

[00:15:57] But it's like, how do you rekindle that innate curiosity and sort of step into that again, you know, as a new wave in your career development? And, you know, that was a huge sort of aha moment, right? That it's there within all of us. And that's sort of the beauty of these qualities is that they are inherent human qualities. Like curiosity will have the capacity to be curious, right?

[00:16:26] But we lose it. Or we, it is easy to lose it along the way. Yeah. And I think there is a connection between comfort and curiosity. That comfort kind of is the blanket of curiosity. Not to say it's a helpful one. It's a blanket over the top, like it's putting out a fire.

[00:16:48] I have the analogy in my head, Mark, of when you are in a rental car or a new car and you get in and everything is a little bit different. I mean, cars are cars more or less, but everything's a little bit different. And so things are there that you kind of like and things are there that are a little different from your car that you don't necessarily like. And you're kind of forced, again, into this state of curiosity of like, well, what does that button mean? What does this thing do?

[00:17:12] And so it's a similar thing where I think unless we really go rent that car or go buy a new car or put ourselves in a situation that's new, it's hard to say, today I'm going to be curious. I'm going to spend the next hour being curious. We don't talk that way, but we also don't talk in a way that we say we're blocked.

[00:17:35] And both of these things are so helpful to understanding why do we feel so heavy all day long? Because we're dragging around these things that maybe don't bring us joy. Maybe we're stuck in the same routine because we're not allowing that to happen.

[00:17:54] So I think that, you know, to me, going through the certification and the course and working with people who are in the job changing part of their lives was incredible because it really helped to say, oh, well, it doesn't necessarily mean what job do you want next? It means, what do you like? And what's interesting is a lot of times in that conversation, asking somebody what they like, they take a step back.

[00:18:24] They're like, what is this witchcraft we're doing right now? Yeah. What is going on? Why would we want to know? I haven't been asked that for years. Exactly. Yeah. So what do I like? I don't even know that I know what I like.

[00:18:38] And so, you know, to the point we just made, having some time to explore those things, explore hobbies, be curious, think about the experiences we have each day and which ones really resonate, which ones are things that we find some joy in. There's breadcrumbs there. And so those breadcrumbs can lead us to what should probably be next.

[00:19:07] So that's one of the things that I found was literally a lid coming off of the top of coaching for me in terms of actually being able to help people. And I truly appreciate you in the program for that one part of many of the things that I was given in that program. Can we talk a little bit about, like, how does the assessment work? And, like, where would that program go for somebody who came in and said, Mark, I'm stuck.

[00:19:37] I need some help with this. Can you help me? Yeah. Yeah. So what the assessment does quite uniquely versus other assessments is that it shines light on the deeper, we call it the being, right? So you see here the big being poster. The name of the company is called Being at Full Potential. So the idea is quite simple, right? You know, we are not human doings. We are human beings.

[00:20:04] And yet we behave like human doings, right? It's we don't spend enough time on that understanding of who are we at a being level, right? Who are we being? How are we showing up? Are we showing up with curiosity, right? Are we showing up with trust? How expressed are we in these qualities?

[00:20:28] And so what the assessment does is it brings the attention to the being layer. And we have a framework and it's the human potential house. And there's 23 dimensions. And, you know, we spoke about curiosity, which is one of them. Trust is another one, but there are 23 in total. And what the assessment does is it helps you see how expressed you are on these 23 qualities.

[00:20:59] So, you know, what is also very nice is that we believe and, you know, we have lots of evidence that these are basic human qualities, that these are qualities that all of us have as human beings. And it's a matter of whether we're expressing them or not expressing them in a given, you know, point in our life, right? Given the context of the situation that we're in. So the starting point is the person is already whole.

[00:21:25] The person already has everything within them that they need. They just may not be listening to it yet. They may not be accessing it yet. And I think that is really where the power of this approach comes from, right? Because we're constantly being told that we're not good enough, that there's something missing. There's something we need to fix. There's something we need to improve on. A lot of other assessments out there put us in a box and they say, you're this type or you're that type.

[00:21:55] And it can be quite limiting, right? Yes, we may have a preference for that type, but it's not who we are. And so, you know, looking at this through the lens of we are all as human beings have these qualities and we just need to rekindle them, right? Rediscover them. And, you know, sometimes we lose touch. Like I was saying the example of somebody in a job for many years, you get sort of in a routine, right?

[00:22:25] And then you just take things for granted and you stop being as curious as you naturally are. But it doesn't mean that you can't switch that on again. But there has to be sort of an awareness there. Oops, it's red or oops, it's yellow. Okay. That's a signal for me to pay attention to. And that's what the assessment does, right? It just helps us to see where are we expressed, where are we not expressed.

[00:22:48] And then together with a coach, we can have conversations with the client to help them find their own meaning in the data. So that the client is the one owning the next steps as well. So we don't tell them what it means, but we help them discover what it means for them. And they are the storytellers. And that is a very, very powerful approach. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting.

[00:23:18] I took the assessment when I got started with the program. And when you review the assessment and how expressed you are, which I'm going to explain a little bit to the audience also, showing whether you're green, meaning you're fully expressed, or you're red, so you're not expressed. Initially, I think we're geared, as you said when we began with classes and what your grades are, that the green would obviously be great and the red would be terrible.

[00:23:47] But you're failing this. It's not going well. But it doesn't really mean that. It just means that it's not open. You're not explaining it, so you're not using that. It doesn't mean that you're failing at curiosity. It means that you're just not using your curiosity. Exactly.

[00:24:04] I love the fact, and we've been through, all of us collectively, I'm sure, have been through many, many tests that have said, you're this type of person and you'll fit better with this group, or we can maximize your potential by aligning you with these people who have this skill set and things like that.

[00:24:23] And so, you know, some of that I would say from a skill perspective, probably, but from a people perspective, and actually developing people, and having them continue to, maybe not the right choice of words, but continue to be expressed in terms of ways where they grow, and not just stay the same as, I'm going to steal your term, human doings.

[00:24:53] Is really a very advantageous way to have your workforce continue to evolve where they're engaged. Yes. Because if you're doing the same thing over and over again, would you want to do that? Probably not. Yeah. And there's a risk that they're going to leave.

[00:25:09] So, really engaging in, you know, how are you feeling about, you know, your assessment results and figuring out where are you expressed well and not expressed well, was really a key for me in working with my clients also to say, oh, this is something we should pay attention to. And, and by the way, it doesn't mean that since there's four different areas that are not expressed, we have to start in one of those.

[00:25:40] We may start someplace else, because that may be what kind of bubbles up for you as we start to talk. But eventually, you're probably going to want to start thinking about how does, how does this inexpressed area fit? What's going on there? So, you know, I love the fact that it's not like, let's, let's put all of these boxes that match with these boxes, and then everything will work out better.

[00:26:05] We're literally making a situation where we're going to grind people up, because you're doing the same thing over and over again that we think they're good at doing. We're not tapping into what might you be good at doing. What is your curiosity level in your job being better? And likewise, the company performing better. And that's really what I told you about, kind of identifying how does, how does that work?

[00:26:32] And it's not really, you know, it's, it's, it's one of the only assessments I've taken where it wasn't so much about how can the company advance because of your skills. It's more about how do you provide more for the company and also you're more engaged. Yeah. And that's a very different concept for most, I think. Yeah. Yeah. You said it very well. Very well.

[00:27:01] I think that's a really, you know, it's subtle, but it's, there's a lot of power there, especially the engagement piece. I think the more we can utilize our, our potential, right? The more we express our potential, the more we feel a sense of meaning and purpose. And from that comes engagement, right?

[00:27:22] So, so, so many companies struggle with engagement scores and they invest huge amounts of money to improve their engagement source. Sure. But a lot of, a lot of those activities are sort of surface level activities. Yes. Right. So, yes, you know, and it's, and those are nice, right? To have, you know, flexible working hours, work from home, you know, gym, you know, healthy food. All of these things, right?

[00:27:51] All of these things, right, are, are definitely contributing to people's feeling of, you know, happiness at work. But the real driver, the real lever is when somebody feels like I'm appreciated for who I am and I can bring my creativity, my ideas, you know, my gifts, my talents into the work that I do. And there's, there's room for that, you know, that is what really powers up the, you know, the engagement.

[00:28:21] And of course the results will follow, right? If the company knows how to channel that energy, because that's the other question, right? How do you channel that into projects, into deliverables, et cetera. And there's an arc to that as well. But if that is channeled, that energy is channeled, then, you know, the, the benefit of the company is enormous. Absolutely.

[00:28:41] I mean, you know, oftentimes back in the days of my recruitment world, we would, we would often come up against counter offers and the conversation and it's accurate would always be. Okay. Well, that paycheck is only going to happen once or twice a month, but you're still going to work every day. So is this the job you want to be in? Because you're only going to have that great day twice a month in terms of the paycheck. And so not much has changed.

[00:29:11] And it's the same kind of thing in terms of if you're going to have a picnic for your employees once every summer and it's a great time and you, you outlay a lot to make it a big success. That's wonderful. But in November, they're not really that worried about the picnic. They're, they're worried about, I don't really like what I'm doing and I might not make the next picnic. So, so I think that that's, you know, that's, that's a great, great insight.

[00:29:42] Mark, I have a two, two point question now as well. Where do you think work is going? Yeah, that's a big question given. And to be honest, I don't think many of us know what we do know is that work is, is not going to be the same anymore. You know, that, that it's rapidly changing.

[00:30:09] But five, 10 years from now, it's going to be a completely different picture. And, you know, AI, of course, is, is, is really the, the disruptor. I think the main disruptor, you know, I've, I've personally been getting into a lot more understanding of AI and been using it with coding actually, because a lot of the assessment platform, it's, you know, it's a tech, it's a tech platform.

[00:30:36] And I, I've been outsourcing that really the whole time until a few months ago when I decided it's time for me to, you know, understand this a little bit better. And I think the tools are out there for me to do that. And I, I started working with cloud code and I can tell you it is a game changer. It's an absolute game changer.

[00:30:57] I mean, it's amazing what is possible to do and how powerful these tools are and how, how empowering it is for entrepreneurs and solopreneurs. And, you know, it really levels the playing field versus these bigger companies that traditionally have always had a competitive advantage because of the resources. And, you know, it would be very hard to compete as a solopreneur, but that, that landscape is completely changing.

[00:31:24] It's already changing now, but, you know, a couple of years down the road, it's going to be even more. So, you know, AI is not just going to be a process efficiency thing. It, it, the companies that will survive are the ones that, that are going to reinvent themselves really almost from the ground up. And that will require a complete different set of human capacities, right?

[00:31:49] The human is not going to thrive anymore based on the knowledge that they have based on certain skills and expertise. That is, you know, pretty much, of course, still going to be of interest, you know, for us to, to know things. But the real differentiator is going to be in us stepping more and more into our human, being human, basically being more human. AI can, can be more, can be smarter.

[00:32:15] It can, you know, let it be what it is and let us become more of what makes us unique. And I think that that is really going to be the, you know, the key thing that education is going to have to transform radically from, you know, stuffing knowledge into kids' heads to actually giving them space to understand and know themselves better.

[00:32:41] Right. So what if university and school becomes much more about knowing who we are, right? Again, at the being level, like, who are we? What is our strength? What are we passionate about? What are we interested in?

[00:32:53] And bringing much more emphasis on that as part of the education process, because that is really what is going to be needed for us to be able to live, you know, in, in harmony, but also to be able to have the wisdom and the maturity to be able to direct these very powerful technologies going forward.

[00:33:13] So I think what we're talking about here is actually super relevant when it comes to thinking about careers, you know, going forward and how to prepare for those careers going forward. Exactly how it's going to happen. And, you know, no one knows, but I think what, what is pretty clear now is that, you know, the status quo is completely unsustainable. So, yes, it's interesting.

[00:33:39] A lot of the feedback on AI from folks who are not fans of AI is that it's going to make us less smart because it's going to do things for us. And in actuality and thinking about the example that you just laid out, it actually makes us much more curious, which in turn makes us much smarter. Exactly.

[00:33:59] So, so that's, you know, an interesting sort of counterpoint to that argument is being able to use it as a resource and make sure, and I say this all the time with folks who are starting to get involved with it. It's not a solution. It's a resource, but it's a lot more fun to be curious with something like AI. And even with AI, we still have to be curious of the answers that we get. So it's still there. You still have to be able to think through it.

[00:34:28] But I love the, the idea of shifting education from packing information to, to memorize, to take tests and finish to really figuring out like, what is it that makes up this person? And how do we express the areas that maybe can be more expressed to have them have the advantage of what their future may think? So very interesting stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can, I can, I can feel it.

[00:34:55] And I can tell from, I can, you know, I had a mixed relationship with AI, you know, up until a few months ago as well. But I can tell you now it's significantly shifted that I've started to use it in this way because it has been a huge enabler of creativity.

[00:35:10] Like there's so many things that I've been able to create and bring forward because I've had this instance, like team of developers, high-end developers sitting there, you know, and agents just waiting there. And, and it's allowed me to prototype, to come up with ideas, to test things, to move it around.

[00:35:32] And it has been the most stimulating for me mentally, creatively, probably one of, you know, the most creative periods I've had in a long, long time. And so I think that is what's possible, right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. So this has been fantastic. I love our conversations.

[00:35:57] I'm always learning from you and always being reminded of things that you already taught me that I'm like, oh, that's front of brain again. One of the things I always ask to end our episodes of all of our guests is what's your why? So, Mark, why do you do what you do?

[00:36:21] There is a big component of service in the work that I do. You know, a few years ago, I decided to make the assessment platform free so anyone can use it. Anyone can take the assessment. Anyone can download the report, can get insights. You know, I'm packing the platform with as many resources as possible. And, you know, until, you know, a few years before that, it was sort of a license, you know, kind of set up.

[00:36:50] And there was a really important reason why that came is because I had sort of this aha moment on my journey that human development, human potential development is a basic human right that everyone should have the ability to express their gifts and their talents in the world. And that it's not only a right, but it's almost an imperative if we're going to solve the big challenges in the world, right?

[00:37:19] And really thrive as a society going forward. So it's a right and it's an imperative. And it's just, you know, something that I feel technology can be a great enabler for that. And it's something that I can offer, right? That I built something. It's supported many people along the way. And I want to expand that.

[00:37:45] I just want to sort of liberate it and make it available to whoever is ready and whoever is willing to go on that journey. So I guess that's my why, you know, is to accelerate and expand access to human potential development to make it as easy and as fun and as exciting for people to engage with. And it's a huge driver for everything I do.

[00:38:14] Fantastic. So I cannot emphasize enough to our audience. We will put the links on for your site and to get the assessment in the show notes. So you can go ahead and take a look, whether you're on Apple or you're on Spotify or you're on YouTube watching. Go take the assessment. Just see what it comes back with. You may be surprised. And then go ahead and read the results to give yourself an idea of what's going on.

[00:38:42] And obviously, if you need additional help in terms of coaching and you really want to dig into it and make it impactful, do that. But take the assessment and just see what it says. Because oftentimes we don't know what we don't know. And if we're in a state of non-curiosity, it's going to be hard to figure that out on your own. So this is a huge aid in doing that. So I cannot emphasize enough. Go take the assessment.

[00:39:10] Mark, I'm so thankful that you were able to come on the show today and spend some time with us. I've enjoyed it. It's always good to hang out with you and learn a little bit more about what you're working on. And I'm excited to hear new things are coming in terms of AI and coding and all that good stuff. So I'll be looking forward to some information there. How can people reach you if they want to get in touch with you now that they listen to our show? Yeah. So the website is being at fullpotential.com. That's the main website.

[00:39:38] And then the assessment platform is being at fullpotential.io. So those are the two main sites. And then, of course, I'm on LinkedIn as well. Mark Vanden Heinde. Maybe we can just share that with people in the show notes or something. But, yeah, I'd love to hear from anyone who has tuned in today or tuned in afterwards. And I want to thank you also, Kevin, for creating these spaces. I love your energy.

[00:40:06] I love your questions and the way we flow and dance. Nothing was prepared. You know, we just come in and that suits me very well. So thanks so much. Yeah. That was so fun. Thanks, Mark. I appreciate it. We'll see you next time. Okay? Yes. All the best. Have a nice weekend. For those of you who have listened to the show today and feel as though there's something here that you really enjoyed, go ahead and give us five stars in terms of your review.

[00:40:34] And then also think about the people around you who maybe are kind of stuck. We all have somebody around us that's a little bit stuck. Share this with them. Let them listen. And then let them go take the assessment on their own. But please share. Please subscribe. And we'll see you next time. Thanks so much. Thanks so much.